Anonymous
05/02/2025 10:28
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Nationals may have had the most rapid ascension as a program in the last five years. Not sure the reason but I remember Nationals teams being good, but they are excellent now.
Hawks are also excellent, something in the water in Detroit.
No clue if Nationals will overtake Hawks, but two clubs of that level within 30 mins of each other is something I wish DC had.
For a long time, the Hawks didn't have any ECNL competition in metro Detroit and could easily form super teams and offer 2 teams at the ECNL level (which provided another way to horde talent). They continue to use that reputation to attract top level players and have excellent teams, but the changes in youth soccer and competition by the Nationals, among others, is putting pressure on whether they can keep their second team, which often struggles. And some say the coaching there has become a complete dumpster fire and they only continue win despite it -- thanks to the talent -- and as a result skating now on really thin ice.
Looking at their website it seems all the ECNL teams are coached by Doug L and Michelle K, who seem to have been there a long time. Have Nationals had new coaches? It wouldn't be the ECNL access only as that is new and they were amazing in the GA.. like I said in my last post they might be the biggest "glow up" (as my daughter used to say) I have seen in a long time. New director? coaches? All I know is their u19 team kicked our ass this year.
2 people for all age groups for one of the nations top clubs? All I'll say that's not how the season started.
Do tell
Anonymous
05/02/2025 10:21
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Nationals may have had the most rapid ascension as a program in the last five years. Not sure the reason but I remember Nationals teams being good, but they are excellent now.
Hawks are also excellent, something in the water in Detroit.
No clue if Nationals will overtake Hawks, but two clubs of that level within 30 mins of each other is something I wish DC had.
For a long time, the Hawks didn't have any ECNL competition in metro Detroit and could easily form super teams and offer 2 teams at the ECNL level (which provided another way to horde talent). They continue to use that reputation to attract top level players and have excellent teams, but the changes in youth soccer and competition by the Nationals, among others, is putting pressure on whether they can keep their second team, which often struggles. And some say the coaching there has become a complete dumpster fire and they only continue win despite it -- thanks to the talent -- and as a result skating now on really thin ice.
Looking at their website it seems all the ECNL teams are coached by Doug L and Michelle K, who seem to have been there a long time. Have Nationals had new coaches? It wouldn't be the ECNL access only as that is new and they were amazing in the GA.. like I said in my last post they might be the biggest "glow up" (as my daughter used to say) I have seen in a long time. New director? coaches? All I know is their u19 team kicked our ass this year.
2 people for all age groups for one of the nations top clubs? All I'll say that's not how the season started.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 10:14
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Nationals may have had the most rapid ascension as a program in the last five years. Not sure the reason but I remember Nationals teams being good, but they are excellent now.
Hawks are also excellent, something in the water in Detroit.
No clue if Nationals will overtake Hawks, but two clubs of that level within 30 mins of each other is something I wish DC had.
For a long time, the Hawks didn't have any ECNL competition in metro Detroit and could easily form super teams and offer 2 teams at the ECNL level (which provided another way to horde talent). They continue to use that reputation to attract top level players and have excellent teams, but the changes in youth soccer and competition by the Nationals, among others, is putting pressure on whether they can keep their second team, which often struggles. And some say the coaching there has become a complete dumpster fire and they only continue win despite it -- thanks to the talent -- and as a result skating now on really thin ice.
Looking at their website it seems all the ECNL teams are coached by Doug L and Michelle K, who seem to have been there a long time. Have Nationals had new coaches? It wouldn't be the ECNL access only as that is new and they were amazing in the GA.. like I said in my last post they might be the biggest "glow up" (as my daughter used to say) I have seen in a long time. New director? coaches? All I know is their u19 team kicked our ass this year.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 01:23
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Nationals may have had the most rapid ascension as a program in the last five years. Not sure the reason but I remember Nationals teams being good, but they are excellent now.
Hawks are also excellent, something in the water in Detroit.
No clue if Nationals will overtake Hawks, but two clubs of that level within 30 mins of each other is something I wish DC had.
For a long time, the Hawks didn't have any ECNL competition in metro Detroit and could easily form super teams and offer 2 teams at the ECNL level (which provided another way to horde talent). They continue to use that reputation to attract top level players and have excellent teams, but the changes in youth soccer and competition by the Nationals, among others, is putting pressure on whether they can keep their second team, which often struggles. And some say the coaching there has become a complete dumpster fire and they only continue win despite it -- thanks to the talent -- and as a result skating now on really thin ice.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 00:25
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Nationals may have had the most rapid ascension as a program in the last five years. Not sure the reason but I remember Nationals teams being good, but they are excellent now.
Hawks are also excellent, something in the water in Detroit.
No clue if Nationals will overtake Hawks, but two clubs of that level within 30 mins of each other is something I wish DC had.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:40
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Having had kids go through the recruiting process, my experience with getting recruited is force ranked as follows
A) Individual child proactive reach out to schools they are interested in
B) Club advocating for kids to colleges of choice
C) Talent ID events (Hawks, individual schools ECNL/GA id’s)
D) Showcases/playoffs (more to see kids from the categories above, VERY rarely do coaches wander past a game and say I want to have that kid I have no file on)
E) Any recruiting service. My experience is these are a waste of time.
Just my experience YMMV
Additionally, the number of D1 recruits at either GA or ECNL is vastly skewed to the 80/20 rule. Top clubs in either platform will put disproportionate amount of kids in programs while bottom half teams get few looks. hawks will get 10+ and FC Wisconsin will get 1 or 2 if any at all. So parents who brag about being on either platform that are not one of the top ~50 clubs are just coat tail riding……..
The Hawks have an excellent track record, no doubt, but I wonder if they might just be entering the toughest climate to succeed. The Wolves (MLSN) -- who they share facilities with -- is starting a girls program. With more GA clubs in MI, they may lose some of clubs that normally feed them top talent. The Nationals -- now in ECNL and in the same market -- are off to a more than solid start and may currently have a better reputation in terms of organization and coaching, which for the Hawks recently has been a bit of a carousel.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:40
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Maybe the DMV [b] could learn something from Chicago and not have 6[?] Ecnl clubs and next year [10? 11?] GA clubs
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:36
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Similar deal in Chicago with Eclipse. Funny how Chicago, the third largest city in America with a metro population of 9.5 million, only had one ECNL club for the first 13 years of the leagues existence. R.D. Didn’t want any competition. Now that there are other options in Chicago, 3 GA clubs and 2 ECNL clubs, Eclipse is sliding.
Chicago has three ECNL clubs now if you count Rockford Raptors, which is 85 miles from
Chicago, but made up of mostly Chicago metro kids.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:34
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Similar deal in Chicago with Eclipse. Funny how Chicago, the third largest city in America with a metro population of 9.5 million, only had one ECNL club for the first 13 years of the leagues existence. R.D. Didn’t want any competition. Now that there are other options in Chicago, 3 GA clubs and 2 ECNL clubs, Eclipse is sliding.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:27
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
It’s about market share. Neither league is concerned with bringing in the so called “best clubs.” Best clubs come and go.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:27
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Madison 56ers to GA after initially accepting a spot in ECRL for boys and girls.
Clubs dropping ECNL for GA again.
This isn't the win you think it is
Isn't Wisconsin left to one founding ECNL club anyways? (which is what is pushing 56ers and Elmbrook to GA).
Yup. Don’t want any competition because that means they actually have to coach and not rely on recruiting
If FC Wisconsin recruits players, they are not very good at it. Their teams are absolutely terrible. SC Wave, a GA club, is the best in Wisconsin.
Elmbrook United is best club in WI now. And they are newly promoted to GA.
I have always found it interesting that C.L. the President of the ECNL and one of its original founders runs one of the most trash clubs in the league, yet other clubs are kicked out due to “poor performance”. Super sketchy.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:11
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Madison 56ers to GA after initially accepting a spot in ECRL for boys and girls.
Clubs dropping ECNL for GA again.
This isn't the win you think it is
Isn't Wisconsin left to one founding ECNL club anyways? (which is what is pushing 56ers and Elmbrook to GA).
Yup. Don’t want any competition because that means they actually have to coach and not rely on recruiting
If FC Wisconsin recruits players, they are not very good at it. Their teams are absolutely terrible. SC Wave, a GA club, is the best in Wisconsin.
Elmbrook United is best club in WI now. And they are newly promoted to GA.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:05
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Madison 56ers to GA after initially accepting a spot in ECRL for boys and girls.
Clubs dropping ECNL for GA again.
This isn't the win you think it is
Isn't Wisconsin left to one founding ECNL club anyways? (which is what is pushing 56ers and Elmbrook to GA).
Yup. Don’t want any competition because that means they actually have to coach and not rely on recruiting
If FC Wisconsin recruits players, they are not very good at it. Their teams are absolutely terrible. SC Wave, a GA club, is the best in Wisconsin.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 21:59
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many GA teams have left for ECNL this year? Surf in South Carolina left for RL. Any others?
ECNL added/promoted 4 teams keeping in line with only brining in the best girls clubs to the ECNL. All promotions from RL. at least 15 GA teams applied to ECNL and were rejected. There are probably only 10-12 clubs that ECNL would take in reality
greater Toledo #103
Missouri rush #112
california odyssey #132
West Side Alliance #141
Since this is an anonymous forum and you won’t get called out, could you please provide this secret list provided by the ECNL that you apparently have access to that shows which 15 GA clubs applied to ECNL and were rejected. This could help us determine once and for all how truly dominant the ECNL is as a league. Are they turning down the CUP, Tophat, SC Del Sol, FC United, Michigan Jags types, or lesser clubs? This is all so interesting. Please let us know.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 21:01
Subject: New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So which group was pressuring RC?
- ECNL threatening to take the girls away
Or
- MLSN threatening to take Next away if they didn't switch to GA
Funny how all the ECNL hats stopped commenting when it's 99% obvious that ECNL is telling clubs that can't be in girls ECNL if they participate in MLSN.
funny that you have no idea what you are talking about. turn your GA shirt inside out and learn
Learn what? How to illegally tie one product with another so customers have to buy both?
I give it a week and the truth comes out.