Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:59
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous wrote:Would someone mind pointing to the Hamas peace plan?
Thanks
Sure the US nd Israel have been meeting for the past 8 months to create one. Notice there is no Hamas representative because the Israel killed them.
Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:58
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous wrote:Would someone mind pointing to the Hamas peace plan?
Thanks
Only one group is sticking with the river to the sea mantra. Likud.
So without speaking for Hamas, who nobody here supports, let’s pivot to the Palestinian and Syrian and Lebanese peace plan.
1967 borders. No land exchanges.
No what?
Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:57
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Hamas peace plan is to get rid of the Jews.
Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:56
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
This is the best history summary I could find of the Israeli Palestinian conflict and it seems very impartial
https://merip.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Primer_on_Palestine-IsraelMERIP_February2014final.pdf
https://merip.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Primer_on_Palestine-IsraelMERIP_February2014final.pdf
Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:47
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Would someone mind pointing to the Hamas peace plan?
Thanks
Thanks
Anonymous
08/31/2024 17:17
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
I can see how being Jewish and hearing anti Israel remarks would be hurtful, disturbing, or uncomfortable, but unless the protestors get violent, the universities cannot expel students who are paying money to attend unless they violated rules regarding violent hate speech or intimidation or harassment of Jewish students on campus.
So far, many incidents of Jewish students faking hate speech and threats have come about After university investigations so what are the administrators to do? Kick out protestor students and expel them and lose tuition money and open themselves up to lawsuits?
If Israel sends them a check to cover that loss, maybe they would but the administrations hands are tied here.
They can’t really stop a protest if it’s peaceful
So far, many incidents of Jewish students faking hate speech and threats have come about After university investigations so what are the administrators to do? Kick out protestor students and expel them and lose tuition money and open themselves up to lawsuits?
If Israel sends them a check to cover that loss, maybe they would but the administrations hands are tied here.
They can’t really stop a protest if it’s peaceful
Anonymous
08/31/2024 16:27
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous wrote:Our politicians sold us out, our country is bought. AIPAC spent over $100m this year already in our elections to further another country’s objectives. Why worry about china bankrupting us or Russia’s meddling when our best ally, Israel, and the people who support it, will drain this country of resources. These tactics shouldn’t be ok for any American.
And what an ROI! Even if AIPAC spends $250M per year, they are delivering - through their core work - to the State of Israel - what? Average of $5B or more?
20x ROI, recurring year-over-year.
The individuals involved in this immoral, corrupt arrangement should face the gallows - it would gut Congress and State to their relative cores, but these are people who sold out the U.S.
Anonymous
08/31/2024 16:07
Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Our politicians sold us out, our country is bought. AIPAC spent over $100m this year already in our elections to further another country’s objectives. Why worry about china bankrupting us or Russia’s meddling when our best ally, Israel, and the people who support it, will drain this country of resources. These tactics shouldn’t be ok for any American.
Anonymous
08/31/2024 15:49
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Not to mention, it's just impossible to take anything brought forth by the pro-Israel side as truthful. The track record of lying is so thorough and astonishingly consistent, any time I see something brought forth like a photo of something that is purported to be anti-semitic, the first reaction is that it's a photo intentionally doctored in some way to serve their purpose. It's either a photo of a staged scene concocted by pro-Israel agitators cosplaying as "Hamas supporters", or it's a scene from three years ago, in Lima, Peru, and it followed an actual attack by Hillel staff on innocent students, etc.
FFS, the Israeli government is viewed as completely dishonest by the entire world - on all matters. When they claim the sky is blue, NOBODY believes that the sky is blue. They claimed that Hamas was operating from beneath schools and hospitals and other areas of infrastructure. The scant "evidence" they have provided has been blown sky high as laughable fakes. We could go on and on. The bottom line is that nobody outside the echo chamber views Israel as anything other than a band of serial liars who have zero regard for the truth.
The boy who cried wolf vibes are just overwhelming ... you cannot go through life as a community replete with chronic, pathological liars and expect to ever be taken seriously on "claims". The same is somewhat true of the other side in this conflict, but less so.
The other side, as you call them, are dealing with polio resurgence, lack of clean water, lack of food, completely destroyed buildings, living in tents, etc… not sure how you can compare the two. Especially as Israelis have a very high quality of life (thanks in part to the billions of dollars they receive from the US).
I’m simply stating that the loudest voices on both sides are dishonest, while acknowledging that the pro-Israel side is obviously and substantially more so.
Otherwise, I agree with you that Israel is vastly more responsible for the atrocities occurring in Gaza and that the U.S. government has plenty of blood on its hands as it relates to this genocide.
Contrary to Israeli propaganda, this conflict started long before 10/7. And contrary to that same propaganda, the U.S. has done more to prevent world peace than anything else in its decades-long welfare relationship with Israel.
We are further away from world peace for U.S. involvement than ever before because our unconditional support relieves Israel of having to actually negotiate and potentially concede something. That’s a fact.
Anonymous
08/31/2024 15:33
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous wrote:
Not to mention, it's just impossible to take anything brought forth by the pro-Israel side as truthful. The track record of lying is so thorough and astonishingly consistent, any time I see something brought forth like a photo of something that is purported to be anti-semitic, the first reaction is that it's a photo intentionally doctored in some way to serve their purpose. It's either a photo of a staged scene concocted by pro-Israel agitators cosplaying as "Hamas supporters", or it's a scene from three years ago, in Lima, Peru, and it followed an actual attack by Hillel staff on innocent students, etc.
FFS, the Israeli government is viewed as completely dishonest by the entire world - on all matters. When they claim the sky is blue, NOBODY believes that the sky is blue. They claimed that Hamas was operating from beneath schools and hospitals and other areas of infrastructure. The scant "evidence" they have provided has been blown sky high as laughable fakes. We could go on and on. The bottom line is that nobody outside the echo chamber views Israel as anything other than a band of serial liars who have zero regard for the truth.
The boy who cried wolf vibes are just overwhelming ... you cannot go through life as a community replete with chronic, pathological liars and expect to ever be taken seriously on "claims". The same is somewhat true of the other side in this conflict, but less so.
The other side, as you call them, are dealing with polio resurgence, lack of clean water, lack of food, completely destroyed buildings, living in tents, etc… not sure how you can compare the two. Especially as Israelis have a very high quality of life (thanks in part to the billions of dollars they receive from the US).
Anonymous
08/31/2024 15:25
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Anonymous
Anonymous
08/31/2024 14:31
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Do you understand that complaining about the FEELINGS of Jewish students is outrageous to the individuals whoa re protesting to stop the LOSS OF ACTUAL LIFE of over 40,000+ people, the 100,000+ people with injuries that will never subside fully, and the 1M+ who have been displaced from their homes.
The majority of those latter groups are no less innocent than the Jewish students whose FEELINGS you worry so much about.
Would you rather FEEL unsafe or be unsafe, and subject to extrajudicial death each and every day of your like?
Anonymous
08/31/2024 14:25
Subject: Re:Gaza war and College Campus Protests
Not to mention, it's just impossible to take anything brought forth by the pro-Israel side as truthful. The track record of lying is so thorough and astonishingly consistent, any time I see something brought forth like a photo of something that is purported to be anti-semitic, the first reaction is that it's a photo intentionally doctored in some way to serve their purpose. It's either a photo of a staged scene concocted by pro-Israel agitators cosplaying as "Hamas supporters", or it's a scene from three years ago, in Lima, Peru, and it followed an actual attack by Hillel staff on innocent students, etc.
FFS, the Israeli government is viewed as completely dishonest by the entire world - on all matters. When they claim the sky is blue, NOBODY believes that the sky is blue. They claimed that Hamas was operating from beneath schools and hospitals and other areas of infrastructure. The scant "evidence" they have provided has been blown sky high as laughable fakes. We could go on and on. The bottom line is that nobody outside the echo chamber views Israel as anything other than a band of serial liars who have zero regard for the truth.
The boy who cried wolf vibes are just overwhelming ... you cannot go through life as a community replete with chronic, pathological liars and expect to ever be taken seriously on "claims". The same is somewhat true of the other side in this conflict, but less so.
Anonymous