Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:21
Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:If he declassified the document, couldn't they be subject to foia?
Yes. But they aren't declassified so they aren't.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:20
Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Footnote 4, wherein the court cites Younger v. Harris, is interesting insofar as the court has gone out of its way to reject any suggestion that DOJ was somehow harassing Trump by the mere threat of prosecution. Pretty remarkable when dealing with a FPOTUS. But Hannity gonna Hannity.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:19
Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
If he declassified the document, couldn't they be subject to foia?
Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:16
Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Wow. That does not bode well for TFG. No wonder he's ranting to Hannity about Hillary's emails. What else has he got? The 11th Circuit destroyed Cannon. I'm surprised he's not ranting about those "disloyal" 11th Circuit judges he appointed.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:16
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
TBH, I think he's right that the president can do that. But he clearly didn't do that while he was president. There's a reason his lawyers have never asserted that in court - they aren't willing to straight-up lie.
That makes no sense. You can’t have the equivalent of double secret declassification. The intelligence community needs to know if a case agent and/or HCS/asset has been compromised. Same for an entire program. Otherwise you would be open to a massive failure of counterintelligence. Not to mention the lives potentially put at risk. Then you have the added wrinkle if the declassification related to an intelligence operation of an ally, or even the nuclear capabilities of an ally. It would be madness. You would have case officers and assets around the world wondering if the mad king burned them.
The president doesn't have unlimited powers but where he does have power, there aren't many checks upon it. The president can declassify documents. He should do it through a formal (or informal) process. But he can show a classified document in a tweet or on tv, if he thinks that's the right thing to do. The idea is that our presidents are men of integrity and perspicacity, so we trust them to do the right thing. Probably he can just decide to declassify a document.
But it's clear that he hasn't done that here because his lawyers have scrupulously avoided saying anything like that to the court. They aren't going to lie about that. And the 11th circuit pointed out that, for the purposes of the warrant, classification or declassification is irrelevant because they're all government documents and do not belong at MAL.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 23:12
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
TBH, I think he's right that the president can do that. But he clearly didn't do that while he was president. There's a reason his lawyers have never asserted that in court - they aren't willing to straight-up lie.
That makes no sense. You can’t have the equivalent of double secret declassification. The intelligence community needs to know if a case agent and/or HCS/asset has been compromised. Same for an entire program. Otherwise you would be open to a massive failure of counterintelligence. Not to mention the lives potentially put at risk. Then you have the added wrinkle if the declassification related to an intelligence operation of an ally, or even the nuclear capabilities of an ally. It would be madness. You would have case officers and assets around the world wondering if the mad king burned them.
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:55
Subject: Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
That was swift. Not screwing around.
Entirely normal when dealing with a request for emergency stay.
No it looks like the Trumpist judges want to end this and end it quickly. Rumor is they will issue a summary ruling dismissing the case and tell DOJ to return everything to Trump.
“Rumor”? We don’t even know who will sit on the panel.
The appeals court is better positioned to kick the case back to Cannon and have her clarify her order. She’s given them a turd in a punchbowl they’re not inclined to deal with and it furthers the interest of delaying an ultimate resolution. It’s hard for the Eleventh Circuit to address the manufactured executive privilege claim, much less for Dearle to do so, absent judicial guidance from Cannon. The same is true with regard to “declassification” and the status of documents, at least 100 of which are marked classified, which are neither personal documents nor presidential records (absent handwritten notations), the only two categories contemplated by Cannon.
But it’s hard to predict what will happen in the context of the urgent national security concerns expressed by DOJ. Dismissal of the case is not properly before the appeals court and there’s a negligible chance classified materials get returned to Trump without further classification status review by the intelligence community.
Did DOJ challenge Cannon's jurisdiction and are they pressing that claim on appeal? Because I am still trying to square that issue.
Me too. IANAL and I still don’t understand how he had a case against him under one federal judge and he could just ask a different federal judge to intervene in it. Seems like the panel had something to say about it?
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:49
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
TBH, I think he's right that the president can do that. But he clearly didn't do that while he was president. There's a reason his lawyers have never asserted that in court - they aren't willing to straight-up lie.
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:47
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. That Circuit ruling was a serious dismissal of Cannon.
But this line in the ruling really sticks out for me: "... we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he would be harmed by a criminal investigation. 'Bearing the discomfiture and cost of a prosecution for crime even by an innocent person is one of the painful obligations of citizenship.'"
Trump could soon be feeling - for the very first time in his life - "the painful obligations of citizenship".
But for the fact that he doesn’t have to bear any of the cost of a prosecution because that’s why he suckers MAGAworld into sending cash to his PACs, notwithstanding those very same PACs are the subject of another grand jury investigation in DC
DP. I am so very far beyond any concern about the useful idiots who keep donating to Trump’s PAC. They are getting exactly what they want.
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:45
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's interesting that he has blond/yellow hair here. He had tastefully gone silver by the end of his presidency. A stately look. Now he's back to coloring his hair again?
Did he forget that he had gone gray?
It's for announcing that he's running again - he wants to look younger.
Was Kash basting him whilst he was under the broiler?
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:44
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:Wow. That Circuit ruling was a serious dismissal of Cannon.
But this line in the ruling really sticks out for me: "... we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he would be harmed by a criminal investigation. 'Bearing the discomfiture and cost of a prosecution for crime even by an innocent person is one of the painful obligations of citizenship.'"
Trump could soon be feeling - for the very first time in his life - "the painful obligations of citizenship".
But for the fact that he doesn’t have to bear any of the cost of a prosecution because that’s why he suckers MAGAworld into sending cash to his PACs, notwithstanding those very same PACs are the subject of another grand jury investigation in DC
Anonymous
09/21/2022 22:38
Subject: Re:Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI
Anonymous wrote:
It's interesting that he has blond/yellow hair here. He had tastefully gone silver by the end of his presidency. A stately look. Now he's back to coloring his hair again?
Did he forget that he had gone gray?
It's for announcing that he's running again - he wants to look younger.