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Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

"The Bethesda culture"? This is incredible. Are there other "cultures" unique to parts of this county that I should be aware of? What is the Rockville culture? What about Aspen Hill? Perhaps you could tell me about Wheaton or Damascus? I am all ears.

I think they are referring to the lack of personal accountability that runs rampant in Bethesda and by extension at Whitman. Kid takes a test, they get an 87 on it because they didnt study for it. The next day, parent emails the teacher attempting to badger the teacher to change the grade. Does every parent do this, no but according to several Whitman teachers, they get dozens of similar requests per week, especially kids in honors or AP classes. Every year or so there is at least one prominent story of a Whitman student doing something they knew they should not have such as getting drunk then driving, going to a football game drunk, sexual assault, racist graffiti, robbing something, cheating on a test, and in many of these cases they eventually get away with it or get lightly punished. In an effort to not imperil their child's college application, Whitman parents have been known to make mistakes disappear.

Bethesda has an extremely high density of highly compensated, well educated professionals infused with East Coast sensibilities (where you went to college is super important, one upping your neighbors with better schools, more successful kids, vacations is a sport). Other similar places include Oak Park, Kirkland and Bellevue (to a lesser extent), Brookline, Bergen and Westchester Counties. When you have lots of rich competitive privileged people in one place, you end up with some who use their wealth to get themselves or their children out of mistakes they have made. It is not unique to Bethesda.

Not everyone in Bethesda is this way but there are enough who are.

Rockville, Wheaton, Damascus, and Aspen Hill don't have the same concentration of super wealthy residents who engage in this type of behavior.

How would you describe Bethesda?

Wow, sounds like the mafia. What I don't get is that if they are so good at making mistakes disappear, how are you finding out about all of the bad things that their kids are doing?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

"The Bethesda culture"? This is incredible. Are there other "cultures" unique to parts of this county that I should be aware of? What is the Rockville culture? What about Aspen Hill? Perhaps you could tell me about Wheaton or Damascus? I am all ears.

I think they are referring to the lack of personal accountability that runs rampant in Bethesda and by extension at Whitman. Kid takes a test, they get an 87 on it because they didnt study for it. The next day, parent emails the teacher attempting to badger the teacher to change the grade. Does every parent do this, no but according to several Whitman teachers, they get dozens of similar requests per week, especially kids in honors or AP classes. Every year or so there is at least one prominent story of a Whitman student doing something they knew they should not have such as getting drunk then driving, going to a football game drunk, sexual assault, racist graffiti, robbing something, cheating on a test, and in many of these cases they eventually get away with it or get lightly punished. In an effort to not imperil their child's college application, Whitman parents have been known to make mistakes disappear.

Bethesda has an extremely high density of highly compensated, well educated professionals infused with East Coast sensibilities (where you went to college is super important, one upping your neighbors with better schools, more successful kids, vacations is a sport). Other similar places include Oak Park, Kirkland and Bellevue (to a lesser extent), Brookline, Bergen and Westchester Counties. When you have lots of rich competitive privileged people in one place, you end up with some who use their wealth to get themselves or their children out of mistakes they have made. It is not unique to Bethesda.

Not everyone in Bethesda is this way but there are enough who are.

Rockville, Wheaton, Damascus, and Aspen Hill don't have the same concentration of super wealthy residents who engage in this type of behavior.

How would you describe Bethesda?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

"The Bethesda culture"? This is incredible. Are there other "cultures" unique to parts of this county that I should be aware of? What is the Rockville culture? What about Aspen Hill? Perhaps you could tell me about Wheaton or Damascus? I am all ears.

I think they are referring to the lack of personal accountability that runs rampant in Bethesda and by extension at Whitman. Kid takes a test, they get an 87 on it because they didnt study for it. The next day, parent emails the teacher attempting to badger the teacher to change the grade. Does every parent do this, no but according to several Whitman teachers, they get dozens of similar requests per week, especially kids in honors or AP classes. Every year or so there is at least one prominent story of a Whitman student doing something they knew they should not have such as getting drunk then driving, going to a football game drunk, sexual assault, racist graffiti, robbing something, cheating on a test, and in many of these cases they eventually get away with it or get lightly punished. In an effort to not imperil their child's college application, Whitman parents have been known to make mistakes disappear.

Bethesda has an extremely high density of highly compensated, well educated professionals infused with East Coast sensibilities (where you went to college is super important, one upping your neighbors with better schools, more successful kids, vacations is a sport). Other similar places include Oak Park, Kirkland and Bellevue (to a lesser extent), Brookline, Bergen and Westchester Counties. When you have lots of rich competitive privileged people in one place, you end up with some who use their wealth to get themselves or their children out of mistakes they have made. It is not unique to Bethesda.

Not everyone in Bethesda is this way but there are enough who are.

Rockville, Wheaton, Damascus, and Aspen Hill don't have the same concentration of super wealthy residents who engage in this type of behavior.

How would you describe Bethesda?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

"The Bethesda culture"? This is incredible. Are there other "cultures" unique to parts of this county that I should be aware of? What is the Rockville culture? What about Aspen Hill? Perhaps you could tell me about Wheaton or Damascus? I am all ears.

I think they are referring to the lack of personal accountability that runs rampant in Bethesda and by extension at Whitman. Kid takes a test, they get an 87 on it because they didnt study for it. The next day, parent emails the teacher attempting to badger the teacher to change the grade. Does every parent do this, no but according to several Whitman teachers, they get dozens of similar requests per week, especially kids in honors or AP classes. Every year or so there is at least one prominent story of a Whitman student doing something they knew they should not have such as getting drunk then driving, going to a football game drunk, sexual assault, racist graffiti, robbing something, cheating on a test, and in many of these cases they eventually get away with it or get lightly punished. In an effort to not imperil their child's college application, Whitman parents have been known to make mistakes disappear.

Bethesda has an extremely high density of highly compensated, well educated professionals infused with East Coast sensibilities (where you went to college is super important, one upping your neighbors with better schools, more successful kids, vacations is a sport). Other similar places include Oak Park, Kirkland and Bellevue (to a lesser extent), Brookline, Bergen and Westchester Counties. When you have lots of rich competitive privileged people in one place, you end up with some who use their wealth to get themselves or their children out of mistakes they have made. It is not unique to Bethesda.

Not everyone in Bethesda is this way but there are enough who are.

Rockville, Wheaton, Damascus, and Aspen Hill don't have the same concentration of super wealthy residents who engage in this type of behavior.

How would you describe Bethesda?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

"The Bethesda culture"? This is incredible. Are there other "cultures" unique to parts of this county that I should be aware of? What is the Rockville culture? What about Aspen Hill? Perhaps you could tell me about Wheaton or Damascus? I am all ears.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question I have reading through these comments.

Bethesda is chock full of well to do entitled folks whose general attitude is rules, regulations, laws, and processes don't apply to them on account of their wealth in society.

Many Bethesda people are K Street lobbyists whose livelihood depends on finding loopholes, writing new loopholes or how to extract their interests after breaking the law. They will write Whitman teachers demanding they change their kid's grade because it impacts their ability to apply for Harvard.

When something bad happens or a mistake is made by a Whitman student, the MO of the Bethesda community for the past three decades is to pass the buck, blame someone else, rig the process and buy the best lawyer and go to court. Say things along the lines of, "my perfect angel could not have done ____ and I fear this will impact their chances at Yale."

After the 1994 drunk driving crash on River Road (going toward the Beltway, right side of road after Wilson Ln), Dr Marco installed a zero tolerance policy which stated if you drink and come to campus you get banned for a year from school activities including graduation. A student tested this in their senior year and got ZT. Well their parents got the best lawyer money could buy and took the school to court and prevailed, they walked the stage.

My question is why are people on this board so angry at the actions of MCPS policy or process, CPS, the police department, the organization that employed Shipley as coach? You can't have it both ways where you get angry that processes and rules aren't being followed when many in the Whitman community seek out ways to bend rules and processes when it suits them.

What does this have to do about a predatory coach and teenager that was allegedly raped? I am curious what your theory is about the former security guard at Richard Montgomery HS?

All I can say is that you and the people amening this have issues.

There are multiple layers to the onion here, and multiple discussions going on here. This is in reference to folks complaining that the process or protocols weren't followed by MCPS, CPS, Safesport, Whitman Crew, etc.

One thing is for sure, even though he is not from Bethesda, Kirkland's behavior fits the Bethesda culture. Clearly bad actions and decisions can be excused with money, imbued with a sense of rules not applying to them. I think its the hypocrisy going on here, Bethesda people sowing rage at rules and processes not being followed but at the same time have no issue throwing people under the bus when it doesnt suit their own professional or personal needs.

Personally, I want accountability and I hope Kirkland pays the price. I am hopeful the District of Columbia court will have a backbone unlike say the Moco courts which are lax.

It sickens me to see how parents and boosters turned a blind eye just so boats could go fast. At what cost??

Anonymous wrote:Bumped into my neighbor today whose daughter is on the crew team. She said the crew team knew about this 3 years ago and reported it to MCPS and CPS, and they investigated and said they could find no credible evidence of wrongdoing.

Maybe he got sloppy after that with things like text messages (you can see copies in the indictment) and that's how he finally got caught.

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Anonymous wrote:This teacher has been arrested. Now we need an accounting of staff members currently working in MCPS after being subjected to a bogus "investigation."

I agree.
As the MCPS Memo pointed out (https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/childabuseandneglect/Annual%20CAN%20MEMO%20to%20BOE_Update%20Policy%20JHC%20CAN_FY20.pdf)
for FY20 (which a PP points out is relatively low because of virtual learning), this is what action MCPS took as a result of their "follow up investigation" for cases of alleged abuse and neglect by MCPS employees. (It's on page 7).
No action: 68
Conference/memo for the record: 106
Reprimand or other disciplinary letter:48
Suspension: 0
Removal from employment: 14
Pending: 35

So there are 222 cases in the "no action/conference/reprimand." Not sure how many individuals are involved (this reporting framework is quite a poor way of presenting the numbers, and has to be improved)