Anonymous wrote: I have a family member who works at a place like the white lotus. It’s a pretty good job compared to others at his education level snd especially in the location. It’s interesting that dcumers are largely viewing the hotel jobs as akin to toiling in the salt mines or inherently very demeaning. My family member would like to make more of course but it’s genuinely a pretty good job he enjoys and is glad to have.

I think it was a great job for some of them, like Armand and Belinda. But for Kai, the government stole the land from his family that the hotel was built on, and if I remember correctly he said his family was not happy that he was working there. I think for him, it's more complex.

Anonymous wrote: I have a family member who works at a place like the white lotus. It’s a pretty good job compared to others at his education level snd especially in the location. It’s interesting that dcumers are largely viewing the hotel jobs as akin to toiling in the salt mines or inherently very demeaning. My family member would like to make more of course but it’s genuinely a pretty good job he enjoys and is glad to have.

What’s the background of your family member? For Kai’s character the job is demeaning. The government stole his family’s ancestral land and he’s working a crappy job on his own land.

Paula is an UMC or UC POC. She is very comfortable at the posh resort and doesn't seem phased by the luxury around her. Unlike Rachel, who demonstrates some class anxiety by the way she interacts with other characters and how uncomfortable and out of place she looks in most scenes, also walking around with a Goyard bag. Paula on the other hand, is cool, calm and unimpressed, even donning a casual shirt for dinner. Her whole problem is that she IS part of the system and likes to be woke and think she isn't. When she talks with Kai she doesn't commiserate by narrating her own tale of family hardship. She is an example of the hypocrisy of UMC/UC wealthy POC who like to conduct performative activism.

I have a family member who works at a place like the white lotus. It’s a pretty good job compared to others at his education level snd especially in the location. It’s interesting that dcumers are largely viewing the hotel jobs as akin to toiling in the salt mines or inherently very demeaning. My family member would like to make more of course but it’s genuinely a pretty good job he enjoys and is glad to have.

Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

This. She wasn’t helping Kai, she was exacting revenge on the Mossbachers for being successful white people. Which is ironic considering how comfortable she is this environment, which shows she comes from a place of extraordinary privilege.

I think it was more so that they were privileged, that they were ridiculously wealthy and were completely blind to the struggles of the working-class locals that were there to cater to their every need. I also think Paula was conflicted because she was benefitting just like the Mossbachers. Thus the vomiting, headaches, and other ailments she experienced. I disagree that she seemed comfortable in this environment. She wasn't portrayed as joyous or happy or living it up. She seemed annoyed and uncomfortable a lot of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Needs more scenes of Alexandra Daddario in lingerie

She is so ridiculously hot. Good lord.

Meh. The Paula actress is hotter.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

This. She wasn’t helping Kai, she was exacting revenge on the Mossbachers for being successful white people. Which is ironic considering how comfortable she is this environment, which shows she comes from a place of extraordinary privilege.

I don't know why people think Paula is less wealthy than the Mossbachers. She presumably goes to the same college as Olivia which is probably Ivy league caliber given her high performing mom. Due to being a POC, Paula is slightly more aware of social issues than her white friends.

I didn’t initially assume that paula wasn’t well off, but the show seemed to implicate that as the episodes progressed, with the conversation about the old necklace from her grandmother (and the tension between her and Olivia when Olivia said the clasp was old), and Paula also didn’t dress as nicely at dinner etc. all of paulas resentment towards the moss a herd seemed to also indicate that she came from a less privileged background.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

This. She wasn’t helping Kai, she was exacting revenge on the Mossbachers for being successful white people. Which is ironic considering how comfortable she is this environment, which shows she comes from a place of extraordinary privilege.

I don't know why people think Paula is less wealthy than the Mossbachers. She presumably goes to the same college as Olivia which is probably Ivy league caliber given her high performing mom. Due to being a POC, Paula is slightly more aware of social issues than her white friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Rachel is a gold digger.

I think she is an unwitting gold digger. She got caught up in a whirlwind relationship without thinking about how she felt because of her deep insecurity. Notice she didn't call a friend to talk, she called the spa lady. Seems like she didn't have support or girlfriends to make her question the relationship before they got married.

I think her storyline was so nicely done. She seems to come from an underprivileged background. She seems like she is a decent person but her adult life did not come to fruition as she envisioned. She is not very strong willed or ambitious so she has a less than mediocre journalism career. Understandably, she was star struck by Shane's wealth and access in the world, to the point of ignoring his less than stellar personal qualities...In the end she decides she would rather have access to his wealth and privilege than be someone like Armond, broke and put upon by the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it interesting that all of the weakest, “worst” characters were all still very tethered to their parents in adulthood, as if they’re just perpetual little children. We saw Rachel call her mom, Olivia went and cried to her mom, Shane’s mom shows up on his honeymoon, Tanya’s literally carrying her dead mom around, Mark’s problems spiraled when he found out about his dad’s past... By contrast, we know nothing at all about the families of Armond, Belinda, or Paula. They’re out there making their own ways without the benefit of (or burden from) parental ties. And then there’s Quinn, who seems to have found redemption in choosing Mother Earth over his own mother.

Paula is way worse than Rachel.

Paula was at least genuinely trying to help someone else, misguided as it was. Rachel’s only trying to help herself.

Was she, though, or was she just trying to screw over the Mossbachers?

This. She wasn’t helping Kai, she was exacting revenge on the Mossbachers for being successful white people. Which is ironic considering how comfortable she is this environment, which shows she comes from a place of extraordinary privilege.

Anonymous wrote:Rachel is a gold digger.

I think she is an unwitting gold digger. She got caught up in a whirlwind relationship without thinking about how she felt because of her deep insecurity. Notice she didn't call a friend to talk, she called the spa lady. Seems like she didn't have support or girlfriends to make her question the relationship before they got married.

Rachel is a gold digger.

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Anonymous wrote:Needs more scenes of Alexandra Daddario in lingerie

She is so ridiculously hot. Good lord.

Anonymous wrote:Mike White is a really good writer. I could talk about these characters and their motivations all day.

Me too! I can't get anyone I know to watch this show and therefore you all are the only people I have to talk about the depth of this show. Three cheers for DCUM!