Anonymous wrote:I'm not a "bro," I'm a 46 year old mother of three. Sorry, she is simply not attractive. Several gals I went to college with, i.e. 12 or so years older than she, are more attractive than her.

I could tell you were a an unhappy woman based on how you ripped into her and are SO bothered by this.

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Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with Roman? He seems to need serious therapy.

A tyrannical withholding father, absent mother, and cold calculating siblings? Hmm, what could have messed him up?

And let's get straight to the heart of the show. As Logan said, "Money wins. Everytime." It isn't love, it isn't goodness or good deeds. Money. Everything is transactional with him. He has so much money and power that he knows that no one really loves him as well. Everyone around him is there because of his money and power.

So much dysfunction. The kids all still want the approval of their, at best, distant parents. Logan is incapable of love and is a malignant person who hurts everyone who gets close to him. He attacks anything that wants his approval. He may be impressed for a few seconds by someone, but he knows, just like Alexander Skarsgard's character, that people will always disappoint him. Logan is far more malignant though because he competes with everyone in every way. He's incapable of love and has to best everyone. He's so malignant that he is cruel in his destruction. In any relationship, he will show that he is in control and the master.

Maybe this just exposes me as the ultra beta I am - but don't they have enough money and power even if they just give it a rest? They don't even seem to enjoy what they've got. They are so miserable, even with all their houses and cars and helicopters and all of it.

I was glad to see Shiv and Tom's dog sleeping near their bed in the last episode. I was worried about the dog. And after last ep and the mom's speech, I am even more worried about the dog.

The greed is the point of the show. They have so much, but they can’t enjoy it because they always want more. The scene from S1 or S2 where the beach house stinks and the staff throws away platters and platters of expensive seafood stuck with me as an example of their greed, waste, and excess.

I don’t think Logan getting the grandson to taste his food was the worst because he knew Kendall was right there and would stop his kid from eating it if it were really poisoned. So, power might be or real but knew he would not really be killing his grandson.

I wonder though l if Logan kind of thinks Kendall and the investor were trying to kill him by walking him out to the beach where he almost died? Seems like realistically this geezer would have some level of paranoia.

I wondered about f there was foreshadowing at dinner when Logan said maybe Kendall really wanted s best suited to run the company and would wind up with it all. In another season or two will Kendall be hollow and ruthless enough to match his father, who maybe he would have killed off by then? (Or will Kendall die next episode in part because the actor is a little difficult to work with and hard on himself, also?)

I also keep thinking about Tom’s offer of sacrifice to Logan and algae’s pledge to remember it. And Tom buffering the fight between Really man and Shiv before the GoJo meeting essentially telling them both not to get lost in pettiness. And telling Greg he would take the fall for his bad stuff, too — no quiz pro quo expected. And calling Shiv to ask her if she wants to be in charge then doing his best to help get her there. Except for him being a total jerk to Greg nearly a season ago, Tom has been pretty likeable and sympathetic character recently, so she think the writers have some terrible future in store for him in the finale. I think maybe he is going to go to jail after all or get screwed in some other way.

Maybe Kendall does the podcast and confesses he murdered someone and his father covered for him, so the cruise stuff comes back and Tom goes to jail. Or he takes the call for the coverup somehow. He won’t be happy at the end of the season methinks.

I think maybe Kendall will go on the podcast and tell all. Possibly commit suicide after by jumping off a building and now Logan will start having a relationship with Kendall’s son.

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Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with Roman? He seems to need serious therapy.

A tyrannical withholding father, absent mother, and cold calculating siblings? Hmm, what could have messed him up?

And let's get straight to the heart of the show. As Logan said, "Money wins. Everytime." It isn't love, it isn't goodness or good deeds. Money. Everything is transactional with him. He has so much money and power that he knows that no one really loves him as well. Everyone around him is there because of his money and power.

So much dysfunction. The kids all still want the approval of their, at best, distant parents. Logan is incapable of love and is a malignant person who hurts everyone who gets close to him. He attacks anything that wants his approval. He may be impressed for a few seconds by someone, but he knows, just like Alexander Skarsgard's character, that people will always disappoint him. Logan is far more malignant though because he competes with everyone in every way. He's incapable of love and has to best everyone. He's so malignant that he is cruel in his destruction. In any relationship, he will show that he is in control and the master.

Maybe this just exposes me as the ultra beta I am - but don't they have enough money and power even if they just give it a rest? They don't even seem to enjoy what they've got. They are so miserable, even with all their houses and cars and helicopters and all of it.

I was glad to see Shiv and Tom's dog sleeping near their bed in the last episode. I was worried about the dog. And after last ep and the mom's speech, I am even more worried about the dog.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we move on from the scintillating Shiv weight discussion and play a game?

Who Was the Worst?

Candidates from the last episode:

A: Logan using his grandson to check if his food was poisoned
B: Caroline's mother/daughter talk where she said she should have had dogs instead of kids then played victim and cried that Shiv was her onion
C:Shiv and Tom's "fun" pillow talk
D:Something Else

Definitely A, and can we make this an every episode question from now on? This is fun. Thanks for posting.

Tie of A and B. But…argh C was so bad too. Great quiz!

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above PPs that the scenes with her and Tom this ep were so good. I would love some backstory on how they got where they are now.

uhhhhh, watch seasons one and two.

I did. I meant how they met and got together.

Was wondering the same. How was Tom not married before meeting Shiv? A handsome Midwestern guy like him you’d think would be married by his mid to late twenties. Maybe early 30s if he had been living in NY the whole time.

Tom is such a self-loathing striver he probably didn't think orher women were good enough for him because they treated him well.

If Tom was in NY he probably had his pick of whoever he wanted to date. But Logan Roy's daughter would be a catch and he'd probably put up with an awful lot to date her.

Was he in NY and she was in DC? I feel like in Season 1 they were living in DC.

Anonymous wrote:Can we move on from the scintillating Shiv weight discussion and play a game?

Who Was the Worst?

Candidates from the last episode:

A: Logan using his grandson to check if his food was poisoned
B: Caroline's mother/daughter talk where she said she should have had dogs instead of kids then played victim and cried that Shiv was her onion
C:Shiv and Tom's "fun" pillow talk
D:Something Else

Definitely A, and can we make this an every episode question from now on? This is fun. Thanks for posting.

Anonymous wrote:Imagine typing out hundreds of words hyper-analyzing a freaking comedic soap opera...

Yet here you are again, spending your time typing on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we move on from the scintillating Shiv weight discussion and play a game?

Who Was the Worst?

Candidates from the last episode:

A: Logan using his grandson to check if his food was poisoned
B: Caroline's mother/daughter talk where she said she should have had dogs instead of kids then played victim and cried that Shiv was her onion
C:Shiv and Tom's "fun" pillow talk
D:Something Else

I’m usually D. Roman is always the worst but A. squeaked ahead for me this week.

I don’t think A was the worst because I don’t think Logan really thought his food was poisoned. It was another game. He wanted Kendall to believe that he thinks Kendall is that unbalanced. I think B was the worst because she not only said she should have had dogs, she said she didn’t have dogs because Logan would have mistreated them. And yet she left her children with him in exchange for money. At least Shiv and Tom are both adults and can make their own decisions. Leaving children with a sadist is the ultimate evil.

Logan lives to show other people how much he can hurt them. Logan had hit Kendall's son and said derisive things about him in the past and Kendall had to take it. How absolutely degrading. Kendall loves his kids and Logan is so vile, he knows children are every parent's weakness. In the Logan Roy world it is all about attacking and control. He showed Kendall he would hurt Kendall's kids if he wanted to.

Anonymous wrote:Imagine typing out hundreds of words hyper-analyzing a freaking comedic soap opera...

You haven't left yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t she likely making only a couple million bucks a year? Why wouldn’t Gerri threaten to file a lawsuit against the company for sexual harassment from the scion and walk away with a $50M+ settlement / retirement parachute?

Because she's more interested in power than money. Duh.

Gerri has enough money to walk away and retire right now, if she wanted to. But her goal is to sideline all the kids and get Logan to hand the reins of the company over to her.

Logan would destroy her if she sued and if she walked away. Look at what he does to his children who try to leave. He will work to destroy Kendall as well. No one escapes Logan unharmed.

Shiv knows being pregnant will work against her with her family. I'm wondering if she wants to back away from them and the job. In the first season it was clear that she tried to separate from her family and didn't share politics with them. Roman laid out the truth that as a woman her father would never take her seriously and dad quickly froze her out and left her out of major decision making. It had to really hurt seeing Roman take over important tasks as she knows how screwed up and incapable he is.

Maybe the combination of her mother telling her she should never be a mom and wanting to back away pushed her over the line to want to get pregnant. What I don't understand is why does she stay with Tom? My assumption is that she knows (?) he will support her while everyone else around her would put a knife in her back to get an edge with dear old dad.

Imagine typing out hundreds of words hyper-analyzing a freaking comedic soap opera...

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Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with Roman? He seems to need serious therapy.

A tyrannical withholding father, absent mother, and cold calculating siblings? Hmm, what could have messed him up?

And let's get straight to the heart of the show. As Logan said, "Money wins. Everytime." It isn't love, it isn't goodness or good deeds. Money. Everything is transactional with him. He has so much money and power that he knows that no one really loves him as well. Everyone around him is there because of his money and power.

So much dysfunction. The kids all still want the approval of their, at best, distant parents. Logan is incapable of love and is a malignant person who hurts everyone who gets close to him. He attacks anything that wants his approval. He may be impressed for a few seconds by someone, but he knows, just like Alexander Skarsgard's character, that people will always disappoint him. Logan is far more malignant though because he competes with everyone in every way. He's incapable of love and has to best everyone. He's so malignant that he is cruel in his destruction. In any relationship, he will show that he is in control and the master.