Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, in phase 2...If our pool kept the lane sign ups, could our whole family sign up for 2 or 3 lanes and switch out who is in the lane and who is swimming?

Yes, but you most likely wouldn't need 2 or 3 lanes. You can have up to 3 people per lane. You could have one lane and switch out who is using that lane.

True. Forgot about 3 per lane. I guess we will accept this and deal. But this all makes no sense.

Here is the link to the webinar. Enjoy!

You do have to register with your name and email to view.

https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/recording/8754380157470936579

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Ok, that’s completely illogical. A stranger can be right next to a kid in a pool in an indoor goldfish swim school, but a parent can’t be next to a child in an outdoor (less germy) pool?

Yes. That is correct (unless the parent at the outdoor pool is participating in an instructor led course).

This is seriously nuts. I thought the phase 2 guidelines said that distancing still has to be in place even during swim instruction. If not, are only private lessons allowed then? Most swim lessons are group lessons which means kids would be near an instructor AND other kids in the class. At Goldfish there are 3 or 4 kids per class that usually wait next to each other when it’s not their turn. Maybe they would have 2 kids per class, each waiting at opposite ends of the pool? It seems like this would only work for kids who are close to swimming independently anyway, who are old enough to follow directions to stay put until their turn. A younger kid (e.g. 3 year old) might try to jump in out of turn, requiring close contact between the kid and one of the lifeguards who is usually close by. This makes no sense!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did this crazy lady explain why swim lessons are ok? There's no way to be six feet apart when giving swim lessons.

From what I remember upthread, someone said the swim lessons lobbyists advocated hard to get swim lessons included in phase 2. Doesn’t make sense but there you go, gotta have $$ and connections to have a seat at the table.

honestly- I think this is the answer. This is part of 'commerce and trade.' They care what people like Goldfish swim school, and tom dolan swim school and kids first swim school have to say. Those places wanted to be allowed to open indoors and get an exception to allow swim instructors closer to kids. This lady had the chutzpah to say she really wanted kids to be able to learn to swim this summer. But in her head- all learning to swim takes place at an indoor 'swim school' not just learning in an outdoor pool which doesn't have 'organized' swim lessons.
That webinar made me extremely angry.

Yes. Goldfish and Kids First etc. are businesses and they are pushing hard to be able to operate. Pool clubs are local nonprofits, basically. I know a bunch of them wrote a letter to the governor but without the right connections, it apparently went right to the circular file.

Yes. 27 clubs at the time. Letter may have gone a bit late in the process. The group is over 40 now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did this crazy lady explain why swim lessons are ok? There's no way to be six feet apart when giving swim lessons.

From what I remember upthread, someone said the swim lessons lobbyists advocated hard to get swim lessons included in phase 2. Doesn’t make sense but there you go, gotta have $$ and connections to have a seat at the table.

honestly- I think this is the answer. This is part of 'commerce and trade.' They care what people like Goldfish swim school, and tom dolan swim school and kids first swim school have to say. Those places wanted to be allowed to open indoors and get an exception to allow swim instructors closer to kids. This lady had the chutzpah to say she really wanted kids to be able to learn to swim this summer. But in her head- all learning to swim takes place at an indoor 'swim school' not just learning in an outdoor pool which doesn't have 'organized' swim lessons.
That webinar made me extremely angry.

Yes. Goldfish and Kids First etc. are businesses and they are pushing hard to be able to operate. Pool clubs are local nonprofits, basically. I know a bunch of them wrote a letter to the governor but without the right connections, it apparently went right to the circular file.

I’m going to email about kids swimming in dirty water because our pools aren’t open. Hopefully the Virginia department of health cares about that.

Anonymous wrote:who cares about indoor pools? its summer in Virginia. People need to be able to swim outside. A kid drowned in Loudoun today. If their neighborhood pool had been open, he probably would not have been out swimming in a creek.

Oh man. A 16 year old. I just read about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Ok, that’s completely illogical. A stranger can be right next to a kid in a pool in an indoor goldfish swim school, but a parent can’t be next to a child in an outdoor (less germy) pool?

Yes. That is correct (unless the parent at the outdoor pool is participating in an instructor led course).

So somehow the virus knows that there’s a commercial transaction involved so it magically stays away? Lol!

I'm pretty sure these rules were written to benefit county rec centers.

If you have recommendations or issues to be addressed during Phase II, please email Olivia McCormick at VDH, olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

m

Were you just full of rage after this webinar or what? I’m getting secondhand pissed off just hearing about this attitude.

Maybe not rage, but very frustrated. I still am as I am working with a few members of our pool board trying to work out a plan for Phase 2. We have been very successful with Phase 1, but it was easier to navigate.

I saw someone else who attended the webinar chimed in earlier. They are going to post the link to the webinar. When one of us gets it we can post it here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Ok, that’s completely illogical. A stranger can be right next to a kid in a pool in an indoor goldfish swim school, but a parent can’t be next to a child in an outdoor (less germy) pool?

Yes. That is correct (unless the parent at the outdoor pool is participating in an instructor led course).

So somehow the virus knows that there’s a commercial transaction involved so it magically stays away? Lol!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:who cares about indoor pools? its summer in Virginia. People need to be able to swim outside. A kid drowned in Loudoun today. If their neighborhood pool had been open, he probably would not have been out swimming in a creek.

Good point. My own child (19) has gone to a "lake" in Fairfax County to swim. I wasn't very happy about that.

Oh gross. Seriously there is no lake in Fairfax that isn’t full of sewer runoff. Isn’t this how people get those brain parasites?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Ok, that’s completely illogical. A stranger can be right next to a kid in a pool in an indoor goldfish swim school, but a parent can’t be next to a child in an outdoor (less germy) pool?

Yes. That is correct (unless the parent at the outdoor pool is participating in an instructor led course).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

m

Were you just full of rage after this webinar or what? I’m getting secondhand pissed off just hearing about this attitude.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I can give my child “swim instruction” and that’s exempt from the lap swimming rules?

Technically no. I have almost two pages of notes from the webinar. Ms. McCormick said they might decide to allow members of a household hold a child in structured "learn to swim" instruction, but they won't allow a parent to "teach" (she actually said she was using air quotes) a child to swim. Her reasoning was it is too difficult for a pool like a swim club to know who can contact who.

olivia.mccormick@vdh.virginia.gov

Ok, that’s completely illogical. A stranger can be right next to a kid in a pool in an indoor goldfish swim school, but a parent can’t be next to a child in an outdoor (less germy) pool?

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the contact info, I am totally going to email her.

I'm passing it along to friends. The rules are really created with membership only pools in mind. Very focused on the business side of pools (indoor/fitness clubs). I wonder which "$takeholder$" were included.