Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:05     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


Ok.

I guess, since you think it's such a farce, you should be asking yourself why other people think it's so bad. Be honest with yourself. But be careful, you may not like the conclusion you reach, and prefer the comfy confines of your bubble where you think Trump did nothing wrong.


To answer your question, other people think it’s bad because they have a political agenda and know they can’t oust the President democratically in the next election. So they resort to these tactics, which undermine our democracy. You should be honest with yourself please.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:05     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:How come there isn't an actual recording of the conversation?
Isn't that required by law?


From a former senior director, White House Situation Room:

The White House Situation Room and the responsible NSC directorate develop the transcript. WHSR, which monitors the call, develops a verbatim working transcript which is reviewed and finalized by the NSC directorate and captured in a memorandum of conversation (MEMCON). /6

https://twitter.com/LarryPfeifferDC/status/1176587537772470272
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:04     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:So let's get this straight.

The lawyer who is representing the whistle blower used to work for Hilary Clinton and Chuck Schumer campaigns, plus they have a connection to an interest group that has financial stakes in whistleblowing and who pays officials to leak whistleblower complaints. The group even pays rent, mortgages, and healthcare for so called whistleblowers ...gee nothing shady there with Hilary and Schumer connected plus a gray area for attorney ethics.


Yup. Happy freaking birthday to me! I'm enjoying today!!
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:04     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


Ask yourself this question: if Obama said the exact same things with a foreign government (such as Russia) and replaced Biden with Trump, would you call this a "farce" or a political witch hunt? You're being willfully blind if you don't see the hypocrisy.


I would have said the exact same, that it’s a nothing call. Except Obama wouldn’t have said it, because that wasn’t his style. Just because it’s Trump’s type, though, doesn’t make it criminal or impeachable.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:01     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


Ok.

I guess, since you think it's such a farce, you should be asking yourself why other people think it's so bad. Be honest with yourself. But be careful, you may not like the conclusion you reach, and prefer the comfy confines of your bubble where you think Trump did nothing wrong.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 13:01     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


Ask yourself this question: if Obama said the exact same things with a foreign government (such as Russia) and replaced Biden with Trump, would you call this a "farce" or a political witch hunt? You're being willfully blind if you don't see the hypocrisy.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:58     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


Looks like PP got those White House talking points that their incompetent comms office also sent to Pelosi by mistake.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:56     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!


We haven’t seen the whistleblower complaint yet.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:56     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"I am not sure if this is a quid pro quo or not." - Chairman Schiff

He calls this call a shakedown that violates his oath of offense.

Shorter: We have no idea why we are impeaching but, we are.

Meanwhile, wasn't Putin pissed when the Ukraine turned to the EU in the first place so he grabbed Crimea? Having this cordial working relationship with the US must really piss off Putin. Doesn't this conversation vindicate the president as not working as a puppet for Putin?



No. Got the money from Russia via the NRA, now can hold up already approved funds to Ukraine to help Russia (after giving Russia the names of US spies) while trying to bribe Ukraine to get involved in the election. Win win all the round, definitely under Putin's control as much as ever.


Next time you respond to me, use facts and specific violations not this pie in the sky narrative.. Your narrative and those like you are leading the public over the cliff edge like lemmings.


Those are facts. Russian oligarchs did donate to the NRA. The NRA in turn then donated to Trump. That you and those like you ignore it is what will be leading the public over the cliff edge like lemmings. That's why we have to impeach now. Sorry if you find it painful, but it has to be done.

- DP
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:52     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Give me a break! That’s it? Trump is right, this was a nothing phone call. All I see here is the Ukrainian President doing some ass kisisng, President Trump rushing through the call, and suggesting in passing that the Ukrainian President, who ran on an anti-corruption platform, look into whether Joe Biden and his son engaged in corruption in his country. And he offered the assistance of the US Attorney General and his personal attorney if helpful. That’s it. No connection to military or other aid of any kind, or any other quid pro quo. If this is all the Dems have, then what an embarrassment! There is no chance this will succeed in any way. Just goes to show that the Dems now realize they can’t win the next election and that this is their best hope of getting rid of the President. It’s absolutely hysterical. I must say, I feel better than ever about his 2020 chances. What a farce this is!
jsteele
Post 09/25/2019 12:51     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:Trump is now on the record that the Crowdstrike server is in Ukraine and alleged corruption.

Interesting. Conspiracy theorists will go nuts over that admission.


What do you mean by "the Crowdstrike server"? What server is supposed to be in Ukraine? I think Trump confused separate issues and misspoke at that point.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:51     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
If there really is “nothing to see here” they will handover the whistleblower complaint requested unanimously by the senate. Still waiting for that...
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:50     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How come there isn't an actual recording of the conversation?
Isn't that required by law?


They stopped recording Presidential conversations in the 70s for security reasons.


But we have typed transcripts. How is that any more secure? And less accurate.

Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:48     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:How come there isn't an actual recording of the conversation?
Isn't that required by law?


“When he first started in the Situation Room, he said, he asked his predecessor why they didn’t just record the phone calls rather than going through all the trouble of this furious transcription. “The answer I got was, ‘Oh God, no. They haven’t recorded those calls since the early ’70s,’ ” Pfeiffer recalled. After that, he said he didn’t feel the need to inquire any further.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/25/trump-call-transcript-with-ukranian-president-history/
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2019 12:48     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:read the WAPO summary of the phone call, not enough there to impeach. - lib


There’s a lot there even with 60%+ of the conversation taken out.

Let Congress see the full complaint