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Anonymous wrote:OP sounds like he/she has a problem with Black people. He/she assumes that, one, Black people are the only group that benefits from Affirmative Action. Two, Black people by nature are less qualified than whites. Three, every time a Black student is admitted to a highly selective university, it is at the expense of some white student.

OP, how many more qualified students, regardless of "race", are declined admissions because of a lower qualified legacy admit?

Wow. Just because I am opposed to giving preferential treatment based on race, rather than the more fair policy based on SES that would help all disadvantaged children REGARDLESS of race, I have a "problem with black people"? And it is *I* who assume black people by nature are less qualified??

Au contraire. It is the liberals here who are up in arms to defend a policy that favors one race over another, with the assumption that blacks NEED to have lower standards in order to achieve. I, by comparison, realize it is not skin color that disadvantages someone, but rather financial hardship (which of course many blacks experience). Thus, I would expect that a middle-class black kid, with educated professional parents, would get just as good grades as her white classmates and therefore requires no "leg up" for admission. It is the poor students, black and white both, who are at the disadvantage, and an SES-based AA policy would help them.

And while not every white student loses out to a black student who gets poorer grades, when you create a lower-level "sub-class" of black kids, who are required to compete only with one another, you absolutely are costing SOME white kids the spots. The shame comes in when it is a white kid who, against all odds, grew up in poverty and still attained high grades in school, yet loses out to a middle-class black kid who did not do nearly as well.

It really seems that we have some extreme leftists on this forum, and unless a person supports a policy that helps blacks while concurrently hurting whites, they start in with the racist accusations. The racists are the ones who insist on favoring lower-scoring blacks over better-scoring whites, due solely to skin color, while concurrently making disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how community college is good enough for white boys.

Why are you only focused on black students, not other URMs?

Or athletes - Ivy League colleges don't give athletic scholarships so maybe it's a rich, white LAX bro taking Billy's spot?

Or legacies - so it's OK for rich kids to take that spot?

Why do you assume that the poor white kids are "losing spots" to middle-class black kids? You are completely speculating on demographics. Maybe it's all rich white kids who aren't getting a spot - is that any better?

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Anonymous wrote:OP sounds like he/she has a problem with Black people. He/she assumes that, one, Black people are the only group that benefits from Affirmative Action. Two, Black people by nature are less qualified than whites. Three, every time a Black student is admitted to a highly selective university, it is at the expense of some white student.

OP, how many more qualified students, regardless of "race", are declined admissions because of a lower qualified legacy admit?

Wow. Just because I am opposed to giving preferential treatment based on race, rather than the more fair policy based on SES that would help all disadvantaged children REGARDLESS of race, I have a "problem with black people"? And it is *I* who assume black people by nature are less qualified??

Au contraire. It is the liberals here who are up in arms to defend a policy that favors one race over another, with the assumption that blacks NEED to have lower standards in order to achieve. I, by comparison, realize it is not skin color that disadvantages someone, but rather financial hardship (which of course many blacks experience). Thus, I would expect that a middle-class black kid, with educated professional parents, would get just as good grades as her white classmates and therefore requires no "leg up" for admission. It is the poor students, black and white both, who are at the disadvantage, and an SES-based AA policy would help them.

And while not every white student loses out to a black student who gets poorer grades, when you create a lower-level "sub-class" of black kids, who are required to compete only with one another, you absolutely are costing SOME white kids the spots. The shame comes in when it is a white kid who, against all odds, grew up in poverty and still attained high grades in school, yet loses out to a middle-class black kid who did not do nearly as well.

It really seems that we have some extreme leftists on this forum, and unless a person supports a policy that helps blacks while concurrently hurting whites, they start in with the racist accusations. The racists are the ones who insist on favoring lower-scoring blacks over better-scoring whites, due solely to skin color, while concurrently making disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how community college is good enough for white boys.

Anonymous wrote:Racial resentment lady has been making up stats.

Total Enrollment by U.S. Medical School and Race/Ethnicity (Alone), 2018-2019
https://www.aamc.org/download/321540/data/factstableb5-1.pdf

Anonymous wrote:DP. I can’t wade through this. Suffice it say that with AA, it just cones down to whose ox is being gored. If a privileged white couple is able to get their less than stellar son into a top ranked school, that’s that, no worries, and they can keep up the social pose as “big fans” of affirmative action.

Anonymous wrote:OP sounds like he/she has a problem with Black people. He/she assumes that, one, Black people are the only group that benefits from Affirmative Action. Two, Black people by nature are less qualified than whites. Three, every time a Black student is admitted to a highly selective university, it is at the expense of some white student.

OP, how many more qualified students, regardless of "race", are declined admissions because of a lower qualified legacy admit?

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The vast majority of spots at competitive colleges will go to white kids. They will continue on their easy path of upward mobility. Why are you so focused on the handful of spots that go to URMs? What about other spots at those colleges that go to other kids with lesser grades? Don't hear you complaining once about them.

+1 I recently talked to a white acquaintance who said her 13 year old daughter is interested in going to medical school, but "she probably won't get in because affirmative action will give all the spots to blacks". She has her excuses ready 10 years in advance! <sarcasm> After all, affirmative action is the only possible reason why she couldn't get in medical school <\sarcasm>

No, your acquaintance probably read the AAMC charts that showed how difficult it is for whites to get in. (And if she's Asian, it's even worse.) It's actually quite discouraging to see how blacks with a B average get into medical school and whites with an A- average have to kiss their dream of becoming a doctor goodbye - unless they go to some crap Caribbean school.

When I meet a white doctor who recently graduated, I know how smart he must be. He had all the odds stacked against him, and still he made it.

You are sooo full of shit. The number of black medical students has decreased significantly b/c black kids aren't interested. If whites aren't getting in, it isn't because of black students.

You are sooo ignorant. Take a look at the AAMC charts, and you'll see how med schools bend over backwards to let in black kids and demand the top, top, top from whites.

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The vast majority of spots at competitive colleges will go to white kids. They will continue on their easy path of upward mobility. Why are you so focused on the handful of spots that go to URMs? What about other spots at those colleges that go to other kids with lesser grades? Don't hear you complaining once about them.

+1 I recently talked to a white acquaintance who said her 13 year old daughter is interested in going to medical school, but "she probably won't get in because affirmative action will give all the spots to blacks". She has her excuses ready 10 years in advance! <sarcasm> After all, affirmative action is the only possible reason why she couldn't get in medical school <\sarcasm>

No, your acquaintance probably read the AAMC charts that showed how difficult it is for whites to get in. (And if she's Asian, it's even worse.) It's actually quite discouraging to see how blacks with a B average get into medical school and whites with an A- average have to kiss their dream of becoming a doctor goodbye - unless they go to some crap Caribbean school.

When I meet a white doctor who recently graduated, I know how smart he must be. He had all the odds stacked against him, and still he made it.

You are sooo full of shit. The number of black medical students has decreased significantly b/c black kids aren't interested. If whites aren't getting in, it isn't because of black students.

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The vast majority of spots at competitive colleges will go to white kids. They will continue on their easy path of upward mobility. Why are you so focused on the handful of spots that go to URMs? What about other spots at those colleges that go to other kids with lesser grades? Don't hear you complaining once about them.

+1 I recently talked to a white acquaintance who said her 13 year old daughter is interested in going to medical school, but "she probably won't get in because affirmative action will give all the spots to blacks". She has her excuses ready 10 years in advance! <sarcasm> After all, affirmative action is the only possible reason why she couldn't get in medical school <\sarcasm>

No, your acquaintance probably read the AAMC charts that showed how difficult it is for whites to get in. (And if she's Asian, it's even worse.) It's actually quite discouraging to see how blacks with a B average get into medical school and whites with an A- average have to kiss their dream of becoming a doctor goodbye - unless they go to some crap Caribbean school.

When I meet a white doctor who recently graduated, I know how smart he must be. He had all the odds stacked against him, and still he made it.

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Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

My white kids are doing great. If yours aren't, it is your fault.

And again, a liberal above personalizes everything. Why are you so selfish as to think that I am concerned by the inequity of AA only because it affects me personally? It does not. My daughter is a graduate of Johns Hopkins and is currently at an IVY, pursuing her grad degree. She is doing great, as well. (And why is it necessary to take a swipe at me as a mother, blaming me for the failure you envision my daughter is? It's not even true! Damn but you liberals can be nasty.)

My sympathy lies with the poor white kids, who have excelled academically despite financial hardships, only to lose out to black kids with worse school records - INCLUDING middle-class black kids and for no other reason than skin color. It's abhorrent that liberals have such disdain for poor whites.

Agreed.

The same folks who used to be anti-black now try to be so cool while being anti-white.

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Anonymous wrote:How many more generations of racial preference for blacks, at the expense of white kids, do you liberals envision? We've already had two full cycles.

And don't say until racial parity is achieved. That can only happen if blacks adjust specific negative behavior, like the out-of-wedlock birthrate, that makes success more difficult to where it "matches" whites. Some things ARE within the control of black people, after all.

My white kids are doing great. If yours aren't, it is your fault.

And again, a liberal above personalizes everything. Why are you so selfish as to think that I am concerned by the inequity of AA only because it affects me personally? It does not. My daughter is a graduate of Johns Hopkins and is currently at an IVY, pursuing her grad degree. She is doing great, as well. (And why is it necessary to take a swipe at me as a mother, blaming me for the failure you envision my daughter is? It's not even true! Damn but you liberals can be nasty.)

My sympathy lies with the poor white kids, who have excelled academically despite financial hardships, only to lose out to black kids with worse school records - INCLUDING middle-class black kids and for no other reason than skin color. It's abhorrent that liberals have such disdain for poor whites.