Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:37
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
They aren't. Stop spreading lies.
Everyone wants border security. Everyone wants common sense, practical immigration reform.
Ask your idiot POTUS why he wants to die on that hill he calls "The Wall" instead of trying to encourage bipartisan efforts to work on practical solutions? Ask him why he would choose to demonize the immigrants who come to our border instead of talking about the real reasons they come...desperation to flee countries where gang violence and murder rates are outrageous and poverty is rampant.
Because he and the GOP don't really care about you or me or anyone at the border. They just like whipping people into a frenzy, so that they can get votes and stay in power.
The crisis at the border is multi-faceted and requires practical solutions. Try listening to what people who actually work for ICE and live and work in border towns are saying instead of right-wing propaganda.
You want real solutions? Stop propping up these charlatans.
We've BEEN listening to people who actually work for ICE - have you?? No, you haven't. You've been completely dismissing what they're telling us because *you don't want to hear it*. For whatever reason, you're ok with vast numbers of illegal immigrants being released into our country. Here's an interview with ICE special agent in charge of investigations for the El Paso sector. Read it and educate yourself.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/02/708999657/number-of-families-trying-to-cross-u-s-border-alarms-ice-agent
STATON: Resources for all of the United States government that do immigration enforcement are being pulled for what's happening on the southwest border right now. The numbers are so high of individuals crossing that the assets that would usually do interdiction of alien smuggling, narcotics smuggling, etc., are being pulled away to handle the processing and the care of these individuals that are turning themselves in at the border.
STATON: Some are using social media, yes. And then - anybody can use social media. And if you look at it, you can see that, like you just said - well, you know, Immigration Customs Enforcement is releasing individuals; I saw it on different news channels. They're talking about that on a regular basis. So that is also a pull factor. Individuals know - hey, there's a chance I could be released.
STATON: What I can tell you I can see is I see an increase. I have concerns. And it's not just me; it's me and all my colleagues. We all have concerns on what's going on down here. And if you don't think the border has had a massive increase of individuals coming over and that there's a cause and effect to that, go down and look at the border.
Blah blah blah. If Trump was so serious about the border why did he turn down the $25 billion initially offered?
"Blah blah blah"? Are you unaware that Trump turned down the $25 because the proposed bill did not end the visa lottery or deeply restrict family-based immigration? Good for him.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:33
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.
Whatever Trump says, they will do the opposite.
Trump should say, from now on, open borders for all!!!!!
In a day, all Dems would demand a big tall Wall.
You are so right. Anything to spite Trump, even if they look like idiots in the process.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:30
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.
DP
What? In MCPS you actually can.
Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.
Sounds like bullshit. They need paperwork.
You need to educate yourself. DP.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/statement-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:27
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.
DP
What? In MCPS you actually can.
Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.
Same in FCPS. Seems the PPP is the liar.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:26
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.
DP
What? In MCPS you actually can.
Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:23
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.
Whatever Trump says, they will do the opposite.
Trump should say, from now on, open borders for all!!!!!
In a day, all Dems would demand a big tall Wall.
Didn't your Dear Leader repeatedly promise that Mexico would pay for the wall?
Yes, same as your Dear Leader repeatedly promised to get immigration reform done in his first year.
If only he had tried to fulfill his promise with half the energy Trump is deploying to fulfill his.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:22
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.
Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.
How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?
Why don't you ask them?
The U.S. is not Israel, obviously.
The reason we can't have a barrier on the Texas border is because the Rio Grande River is the border. We have a treaty from about 1970 that prevents either country from building any obstruction in the flood plain of the Rio Grande because, duh, that would cause massive flooding on the other side and create all sorts of environmental havoc on both sides. So even if Trump gets his wall, it has to be on the levee, leaving a stranded area of U.S. soil between the river and the levee wall. People who cross the river will already be in the USA when they present themselves at the wall to request asylum.
DP. Correct, which is exactly why Mexico needs to build some sort of barrier BEFORE the Rio Grande, so there is no way for them to reach our soil. I suggested this a few pages back. Mexico needs to step up and take responsibility.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:20
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.
I suggested this a couple pages up, too.
Yet, this won’t be very effective if not coupled with stricter asylum criteria.
The asylum criteria are strict enough. The problem is that people get released into the US while awaiting processing. Even those with weak claims know that they can use this as a means to enter the country and then figure how to stay. A prescreening will cut down on the number of cases which have no hope of succeeding.
Exactly. ICE has to release people because there is NO MORE ROOM to hold them while they await their asylum hearings. They absolutely need a prescreening with a bus at the ready to take them back to their home countries if they don't qualify for asylum.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:18
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.
Whatever Trump says, they will do the opposite.
Trump should say, from now on, open borders for all!!!!!
In a day, all Dems would demand a big tall Wall.
Didn't your Dear Leader repeatedly promise that Mexico would pay for the wall?
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:17
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.
How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?
Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.
OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!
Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).
Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.
They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.
This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.
It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.
Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.
+1000
I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.
My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.
Enough already, Libs. We see you.
You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.
DP. It's appalling that you know so incredibly little about this that you accuse the PP of lying. What private do your kids attend? You clearly have NO experience with publics that have large numbers of ESOL kids. PP is right. We see you. Right through you.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:16
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
They aren't. Stop spreading lies.
Everyone wants border security. Everyone wants common sense, practical immigration reform.
Ask your idiot POTUS why he wants to die on that hill he calls "The Wall" instead of trying to encourage bipartisan efforts to work on practical solutions? Ask him why he would choose to demonize the immigrants who come to our border instead of talking about the real reasons they come...desperation to flee countries where gang violence and murder rates are outrageous and poverty is rampant.
Because he and the GOP don't really care about you or me or anyone at the border. They just like whipping people into a frenzy, so that they can get votes and stay in power.
The crisis at the border is multi-faceted and requires practical solutions. Try listening to what people who actually work for ICE and live and work in border towns are saying instead of right-wing propaganda.
You want real solutions? Stop propping up these charlatans.
We've BEEN listening to people who actually work for ICE - have you?? No, you haven't. You've been completely dismissing what they're telling us because *you don't want to hear it*. For whatever reason, you're ok with vast numbers of illegal immigrants being released into our country. Here's an interview with ICE special agent in charge of investigations for the El Paso sector. Read it and educate yourself.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/02/708999657/number-of-families-trying-to-cross-u-s-border-alarms-ice-agent
STATON: Resources for all of the United States government that do immigration enforcement are being pulled for what's happening on the southwest border right now. The numbers are so high of individuals crossing that the assets that would usually do interdiction of alien smuggling, narcotics smuggling, etc., are being pulled away to handle the processing and the care of these individuals that are turning themselves in at the border.
STATON: Some are using social media, yes. And then - anybody can use social media. And if you look at it, you can see that, like you just said - well, you know, Immigration Customs Enforcement is releasing individuals; I saw it on different news channels. They're talking about that on a regular basis. So that is also a pull factor. Individuals know - hey, there's a chance I could be released.
STATON: What I can tell you I can see is I see an increase. I have concerns. And it's not just me; it's me and all my colleagues. We all have concerns on what's going on down here. And if you don't think the border has had a massive increase of individuals coming over and that there's a cause and effect to that, go down and look at the border.
Blah blah blah. If Trump was so serious about the border why did he turn down the $25 billion initially offered?
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:15
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.
Whatever Trump says, they will do the opposite.
Trump should say, from now on, open borders for all!!!!!
In a day, all Dems would demand a big tall Wall.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:15
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.
Why are Trumpkins so desperate to lie and deflect from their own party's failures on border security ?
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:14
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
They aren't. Stop spreading lies.
Everyone wants border security. Everyone wants common sense, practical immigration reform.
Ask your idiot POTUS why he wants to die on that hill he calls "The Wall" instead of trying to encourage bipartisan efforts to work on practical solutions? Ask him why he would choose to demonize the immigrants who come to our border instead of talking about the real reasons they come...desperation to flee countries where gang violence and murder rates are outrageous and poverty is rampant.
Because he and the GOP don't really care about you or me or anyone at the border. They just like whipping people into a frenzy, so that they can get votes and stay in power.
The crisis at the border is multi-faceted and requires practical solutions. Try listening to what people who actually work for ICE and live and work in border towns are saying instead of right-wing propaganda.
You want real solutions? Stop propping up these charlatans.
We've BEEN listening to people who actually work for ICE - have you?? No, you haven't. You've been completely dismissing what they're telling us because *you don't want to hear it*. For whatever reason, you're ok with vast numbers of illegal immigrants being released into our country. Here's an interview with ICE special agent in charge of investigations for the El Paso sector. Read it and educate yourself.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/02/708999657/number-of-families-trying-to-cross-u-s-border-alarms-ice-agent
STATON: Resources for all of the United States government that do immigration enforcement are being pulled for what's happening on the southwest border right now. The numbers are so high of individuals crossing that the assets that would usually do interdiction of alien smuggling, narcotics smuggling, etc., are being pulled away to handle the processing and the care of these individuals that are turning themselves in at the border.
STATON: Some are using social media, yes. And then - anybody can use social media. And if you look at it, you can see that, like you just said - well, you know, Immigration Customs Enforcement is releasing individuals; I saw it on different news channels. They're talking about that on a regular basis. So that is also a pull factor. Individuals know - hey, there's a chance I could be released.
STATON: What I can tell you I can see is I see an increase. I have concerns. And it's not just me; it's me and all my colleagues. We all have concerns on what's going on down here. And if you don't think the border has had a massive increase of individuals coming over and that there's a cause and effect to that, go down and look at the border.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 23:06
Subject: Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?
Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?
THIS. Excellent question.