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Anonymous wrote:Americans are sour losers!! ALWAYS blame on someone or something!! She lost dumb a$$.

You do realize that Osaka holds American citizenship and has lived in the US for 17 years, while only living in Japan for three years.

I get that she has chosen to play under the Japanese flag, but she is as American as anyone else who is a citizen. You can't take that away from her.

Mom is Japanese, her dad is Haitian

So is then the new young hope of US tennis Frances Tiafoe not American? He plays for the US flag, and was born here but his parents are definitely not US born. Is that what makes the difference that he was born here? Osaka's father moved to US to attend New York University, then to Japan then back to US. I presume he got US citizenship down the road, just as his daughters had. The reason Naomi and her sister play for Japan is that Japan gave them funds for tennis. USTA did not.

I don't get this last comment. Is it a problem that people are pointing out that Naomi Osaka is of Haitian and Japanese ancestry, holds both Japanese and US passports, and spent most of her life growing up in the US? I think it's kind of cool.

In terms of funding, I read that the dad decided to have them play as Japanese. When you say USTA did not fund them, are you saying that they tried to get funding from USTA but were turned down? How is it decided who gets funding and who does not?

The USTA Player Development group/team whatever are notoriously incompentent - at least when Patrick McEnroe was a part of it. Player Developemnt was run by a bunch of know nothing old white guys who mostly supported children of prior tennis stars. Lots of AA players got short shrift and avoided USTA. They may be hard to find but I remember Courier and McEnroe insulting the hell out of Donald Young because he wouldnt' jump to what the usta wanted him to do. They tried to convince him to move to Spain to be Nadal's hitting partner which was a ticket to nowhere. Every time the guys got some tv time, they spent all of it insulting him. Don't even get me started on Taylor Townsend who they refused to support because of her "lack of fitness".

According to a comment Everett made during the match, the USTA overlooked Naomi after she was evaluated.

Anonymous wrote:this is how the world saw it

https://amp.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-media-slam-serena-williams-us-open-final-tirade/news-story/19d5cec73819ecd15ccb815120d0550c?__twitter_impression=true

no one outside of the us is siding with Serena here.

I'm the poster who has been a tennis fan for over 40 years. I've stopped reading most all of the European tennis forums. The sexism and racism is overwhelming. I can still count on immediate racist comments in those forums and the Australian.

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Anonymous wrote:Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

Ugh, that's the same garbage women get hit with all the time when they try to stand up to sexism -- who cares what men are allowed to get away with, you just keep your pretty little head down for the comfort of everyone else.

That is such BS. Sexism did not cause her to destroy her racquet. Sexism did not cause her to call the umpire names. She did that all by herself.

So when women are being discriminated against they should just be nice about it.

No, they should throw tantrums, break their racquets, call the officials names, and threaten to stuff a ball down their throats. THAT is how they get what they want. /s

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She bullied the umpire and the poor other lady.

And before you buy into her sexism allegations, just consider a simple fact.

A world-class famous star confronts a little guy no one has ever heard of.

Who's the bully?

She also told him that he'd never work on a court with her ever again. Oddly enough, McEnroe said something very similar to an ump that he was irked out.

When Serena was done screaming at the umpire, Osaka should have started screaming at the umpire for delaying the game to listen to Serena’s complaints! She has to stand up for herself and all Asians and people of mixed race and color!

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Anonymous wrote:Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

Ugh, that's the same garbage women get hit with all the time when they try to stand up to sexism -- who cares what men are allowed to get away with, you just keep your pretty little head down for the comfort of everyone else.

That is such BS. Sexism did not cause her to destroy her racquet. Sexism did not cause her to call the umpire names. She did that all by herself.

So when women are being discriminated against they should just be nice about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

Ugh, that's the same garbage women get hit with all the time when they try to stand up to sexism -- who cares what men are allowed to get away with, you just keep your pretty little head down for the comfort of everyone else.

That is such BS. Sexism did not cause her to destroy her racquet. Sexism did not cause her to call the umpire names. She did that all by herself.

If you actually read the piece, I think you missed the point.

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She was a bully because she used the moment and the crowd to intimidate her opponent. If you understand anything about tennis you'd know that players get n a rhythm, either good or bad. Osaka had positive momentum and was in a good rhythm with her shots but Serena derailed her by constant delays arguing with the ump. It happens all the time but it's poor sportsmanship.

I wondered if that was part of the official's justification for giving her the third code violation for abuse. I rarely remember someone continuing to argue a call so long after the fact. Immediately after the questionable coaching call, Serena defended herself in a respectful manner and seemed to channel her anger into strong play. She did not argue the coaching call when she started playing well for a few games and was up a break. It was only after her serve failed her and she became frustrated that she couldn't respond to Osaka's game that she went back and started arguing about coaching call and then calling the official a liar and a thief. If you go back and watch again, Serena wasn't even going to get a conduct violation after she called him a liar and a thief while she was sitting down during the changeover. Ramos called it when Serena got up from her chair, started walking onto the court and was still yelling. At that point, she had gone between changeover yapping that we see so often and was in danger of taking Osaka of out the match.

Listen, there is much to admire about Serena, but for once, I'd like to hear her take responsibility for her mistakes. Whether the official was right or wrong, she had the last chance to diffuse the situation each step of the way and she didn't. Stop complaint, don't smash your racket, exhibit some sportsmanship and respect for an opponent who was playing the best tennis of her life and then go question whether there is a double standard. She could have gotten some first serves in and she wouldn't have lost the match, regardless of the game penalty. The official didn't steal anything from Serena; she let her temper get the best of her and ruined Osaka's day in the process. She is not a victim in this situation (although she has been the victim of some terrible treatment in the past).

Some really great points here. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

Ugh, that's the same garbage women get hit with all the time when they try to stand up to sexism -- who cares what men are allowed to get away with, you just keep your pretty little head down for the comfort of everyone else.

That is such BS. Sexism did not cause her to destroy her racquet. Sexism did not cause her to call the umpire names. She did that all by herself.

Anonymous wrote:Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

Ugh, that's the same garbage women get hit with all the time when they try to stand up to sexism -- who cares what men are allowed to get away with, you just keep your pretty little head down for the comfort of everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Osaka accepted her trophy crying while the announcer bullied her. Welcome to elite liberalism.

Yes, it was so wrong and so sad. Katrina Adams has been a disgrace as well. I don't understand how people can't see that this is about elitism, not about equality or social justice. Same is seen in men's tennis. Lower ranked players are not allowed to get away with anything, while the big 3 walk like Gods among them. This is also about the money, US Open and other slams know who audience wants to see play and who brings them money. Who brings more money? Serena or a new kid on the court?

Yeah, can we talk about Katrina Adams. I thought her speech was the worst. It stirred the pot of the crowd, pandered to Serena and that was when Naomi really started crying. She had held it together pretty well until then.

"not the ending we hoped for" - seriously? millions of people across the world watched the match. not all of them rooted for serena, fewer still so passionately to be upset by her loss. and serena the built on it with 'we will go through this'.

It may be that she was trying to diffuse the crowd and that what she meant was that it was unfortunate that referring issues played a part in the ending, but in any event, her speech fell flat and was offensive to the winner who played a truly phenomenal game capping off a wonderful tournament.

she was not diffusing the crowd - she was feeding them by reinforcing the lie that she lost because of 'unfair treatment' and also, that we are all in this together rooting for serena and suffering because she lost. i am sorry, but not everyone is rooting for her even at the stadium much less at home. US open is a major international event and tennis is a very popular sport in many countries (in fact more popular than it is in the US). while serena will remain a legend no matter what she does, people around the world are aghast at the crowd's and officials' behavior and all these followups that justify it.

serena had a tantrum because she was losing to a better player. no big deal, it happens to many players. turning this into some kind of injustice is preposterous even in the US let alone the rest of the world.

Great opinion piece by Marina Navratilova.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/martina-navratilova-serena-williams-us-open.html

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Anonymous wrote:Just watched the whole thing via the NYTimes and she appeared very disrespectful towards the umpire. Berating him and insulting him. Unacceptable.

That's how women are categorized when standing up for themselves... Hysterical... Men are assertive. Double standard.

There is a straight up racist a few pages back but somehow you managed to make the most annoying post in the thread

No kidding. Since when is smashing your racquet in anger “standing up for” yourself?

Ask Sampras, Agassi, Sharapanova, Nader, Djokovic and all the many other players who have smashed racquets.

smashing racquet is an automatic penalty.

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She was a bully because she used the moment and the crowd to intimidate her opponent. If you understand anything about tennis you'd know that players get n a rhythm, either good or bad. Osaka had positive momentum and was in a good rhythm with her shots but Serena derailed her by constant delays arguing with the ump. It happens all the time but it's poor sportsmanship.

I wondered if that was part of the official's justification for giving her the third code violation for abuse. I rarely remember someone continuing to argue a call so long after the fact. Immediately after the questionable coaching call, Serena defended herself in a respectful manner and seemed to channel her anger into strong play. She did not argue the coaching call when she started playing well for a few games and was up a break. It was only after her serve failed her and she became frustrated that she couldn't respond to Osaka's game that she went back and started arguing about coaching call and then calling the official a liar and a thief. If you go back and watch again, Serena wasn't even going to get a conduct violation after she called him a liar and a thief while she was sitting down during the changeover. Ramos called it when Serena got up from her chair, started walking onto the court and was still yelling. At that point, she had gone between changeover yapping that we see so often and was in danger of taking Osaka of out the match.

Listen, there is much to admire about Serena, but for once, I'd like to hear her take responsibility for her mistakes. Whether the official was right or wrong, she had the last chance to diffuse the situation each step of the way and she didn't. Stop complaint, don't smash your racket, exhibit some sportsmanship and respect for an opponent who was playing the best tennis of her life and then go question whether there is a double standard. She could have gotten some first serves in and she wouldn't have lost the match, regardless of the game penalty. The official didn't steal anything from Serena; she let her temper get the best of her and ruined Osaka's day in the process. She is not a victim in this situation (although she has been the victim of some terrible treatment in the past).