Anonymous wrote:reading Reddit comments..someone who watched the video said it looks like the police officer in red is standing with the gun between his shoes. According to them, he doesn't appear to move during the video.

I watched the video several times I thought this was possible as well. At the very last second of the video, the officer raises his foot and there appears to be something black behind his left foot. I thought that might be the gun. But, that is a couple of feet at least from the gun shown in the picture (which is also unattended). I am somewhat skeptical that the officer would stand on top of a gun for so long and then just wonder off and allow it to get moved.

The black officer drops two black things on the ground that are probably gloves. If I remember correctly, they later disappear. One of them could have blown over to the office run the red shirt.

jsteele wrote:If the police story that officers saw Scott exit the vehicle with a gun and then get back into the truck is true, I am confused why the officer with the red shirt went right up to the passenger side window. Presuming that Scott is right-handed, that would be the easiest place to get shot. Moreover, the gun has been described as "very small" which is consistent with the photo I posted. I am skeptical that it would be visible and identifiable from much of a distance.

Also, all of you Monday morning quarterbacks saying, "if the police tell you to drop a gun and your a holding a book, drop it" or whatever, remember that this individual suffers from traumatic brain injury. His wife said he had just taken his medicine. Chances are that the impact of those two elements might interfere with his behavior.

Again, I think there were plenty of opportunities for the police to deescalate. Human beings should not be treated as disposable items.

I assume you're aware of the irony of calling other PPs "Monday morning quarterbacks," right?

It's really a shame your job involves sitting in front of a computer screen, when we all can see you have a supremely honed sense of proper police behavior in any given scenario. You'd be a true asset to the force.

Anonymous wrote:reading Reddit comments..someone who watched the video said it looks like the police officer in red is standing with the gun between his shoes. According to them, he doesn't appear to move during the video.

I have no idea if this is a glove or a gun, but here are the pics that poster put on Reddit:

Cop in red standing over object: https://m.imgur.com/71UKbD4?r

After cop in red moves: http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_38/1718751/160922-keith-lamont-scott-gun-ground-jsw-829a_e83f38ca93d0b8eabfb6aee49113a07b.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg

Brandishing a firearm is NOT open carry.

Rayquan Borum has been arrested for the shooting [victim now deceased] during the riots:
http://wncn.com/2016/09/23/arrest-made-in-deadly-shooting-that-happened-during-wednesday-night-protests/

So cops come to serve a warrant on some dude and they happen to see another guy that they have no business with get out of his car with a gun and get back in. The cops then proceed to basically say, "To hell with this warrant we're going to stop this guy from..."
From what exactly?
What law did he break
I digress.
In any case, he gets back in his car and they basically decide that open-carry-laws be damned, he needs to give up the gun.

I'm sorry but the fact that there aren't conservatives jumping all over this gross misconduct on the officers part is strange to me.
The police basically violated someone of their 2nd Amendment Rights (which I naturally assumed conservatives viewed as the #3 cardinal sin just behind abortion and kneeling when the national anthem is being played). So why isn't anyone arguing that police do not have the right to confront a man for carrying a gun in an open carry state?

Help me out people I'm trying to clear this shit up.

reading Reddit comments..someone who watched the video said it looks like the police officer in red is standing with the gun between his shoes. According to them, he doesn't appear to move during the video.

If the police story that officers saw Scott exit the vehicle with a gun and then get back into the truck is true, I am confused why the officer with the red shirt went right up to the passenger side window. Presuming that Scott is right-handed, that would be the easiest place to get shot. Moreover, the gun has been described as "very small" which is consistent with the photo I posted. I am skeptical that it would be visible and identifiable from much of a distance.

Also, all of you Monday morning quarterbacks saying, "if the police tell you to drop a gun and your a holding a book, drop it" or whatever, remember that this individual suffers from traumatic brain injury. His wife said he had just taken his medicine. Chances are that the impact of those two elements might interfere with his behavior.

Again, I think there were plenty of opportunities for the police to deescalate. Human beings should not be treated as disposable items.

In Massachusetts, the State's highest court recently recognized that African American males have legitimate reasons for running from law enforcement officers and that this flight may not necessarily factor into a reasonable suspicion analysis. In my view, this is one of the most progressive, game changing rulings in criminal law over the past 40 years.

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Anonymous wrote:If the police see you exit a vehicle holding a gun in your hand (also not covered by open carry, btw)..expect to be approached by police.

That's a very interesting assessment but I'm curious about something...
In his wife's video an officer can clearly be heard in the background calling for a baton prior to any shouts of "Drop the weapon".
If they noticed a weapon or if he got out of the vehicle holding a gun why in the hell somebody be asking for a baton initially?

NY Times has the wife's video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glVRwRtdE4g At :58 there is a pop like a single gun shot. Before and after she yelling Keith don't you do it. Police are yelling drop the gun. Then 4 or 5 shots.

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Anonymous wrote:If the police see you exit a vehicle holding a gun in your hand (also not covered by open carry, btw)..expect to be approached by police.

That's a very interesting assessment but I'm curious about something...
In his wife's video an officer can clearly be heard in the background calling for a baton prior to any shouts of "Drop the weapon".
If they noticed a weapon or if he got out of the vehicle holding a gun why in the hell somebody be asking for a baton initially?

According to police, he got back in the car after the police saw him with a gun in his hand. I have seen comments on other sites that police may have been asking for a baton so that they could break the car window. Whether that's true, idk.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah no "twirling your gun around" is not covered under open carry.

It's already been noted that I have a penchant for being obtuse but I think you get what I'm saying.
So, you got any ideas on why the cops bothered Keith Scott to begin with?

He fit a suspect description. Instead of identifying himself when the officer approach he did whatever his wife was screaming at him not to do.

Whatever his wife was telling him not to do, I'm sure it wasn't something the officers could have reasonably perceived as threatening.

Cops just need to stop being such wimps! If only they could be as tough as all you badass posters second guessing them online.

Anonymous wrote:If the police see you exit a vehicle holding a gun in your hand (also not covered by open carry, btw)..expect to be approached by police.

That's a very interesting assessment but I'm curious about something...
In his wife's video an officer can clearly be heard in the background calling for a baton prior to any shouts of "Drop the weapon".
If they noticed a weapon or if he got out of the vehicle holding a gun why in the hell somebody be asking for a baton initially?

This thing with him holding a book, and not a gun....

If I was holding a book that a cop mistook for a gun, and he ordered me to drop the gun, I would probably say...."it's a book." But if the cop kept ordering me to drop the "gun," you know what I would do! Drop the damn book! Why is that so complicated?

Plus, what was the wife yelling to her husband not to do? Don't point the book at the cop? Let's get real.

If the police see you exit a vehicle holding a gun in your hand (also not covered by open carry, btw)..expect to be approached by police.