Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The posters on the Chevy Chase Listserv come off as so rude and entitled. They're embarrassing themselves with their selfishness and their "my school", "my park", "my community" attitude. How they determined that the Murch community and Lafayette communities are separate is beyond me - I never saw that division until now, and all of a sudden we're like Israel and Palestine.
As the previous poster said - tone down the rhetoric. Murch parents don't want to swing off site, but they cannot realistically and safely remain at Murch through the renovation. The swing options are minimal and the trailers are already at Lafayette. If Murch swung to Lafayette, the density on the Lafayette site would arguably still be lower than that of Murch now (pre-renovation).
This NIMBY crew was happy to see Deal and Wilson neighbors live through multiple renovations. Again, the selfishness and entitlement of the posters is unlike anything I've seen within this "community" - even during the contentious boundary debacle. How about we all stand back and look at what makes the most sense from safety, learning and financial perspectives. And happy holidays!
Sorry but you really can't compare the Deal and Wilson renovations to what DGS is proposing in this immediate instance. Are you familiar with the neighborhood surrounding Lafayette? The school is surrounded on all sides by homes where people reside 24/7. Narrow streets are all that separate these homes from Lafayette. If you are familiar with Deal and Wilson, you know that very few homes had the same type of impact that the Lafayette community is dealing with during the renovation. Each school had a handful of homes that were likely impacted to the same extent as the numerous homes surrounding Lafayette. Those people that are most impacted by the renovation and resulting traffic, have been gracious and handled it well. However, they are now being told that they may have to deal with this for at least [i] another 2 years when they were specifically promised that this would not occur.
Also, what about the Lafayette students? Neither the Deal nor Wilson students were faced with having another school housed on the property after the renovation was finished. They were able to enjoy their renovated building and green space without having to share a relatively small park with an additional 600 children. This proposal would have the effect of subjecting the students and staff to at least 3 years of disruption (one year for the Lafayette renovation and another 2 years for Murch). What other school has been asked to do this?
It's not about an apple to apple comparison. The fact is neighbors of Deal and Wilson put up with the renovation two schools in a row that benefits a big chunk of families from a variety of feeder schools in various neighborhoods. No one like living with that kid of construction or some temporary overcrowding, but that's life when efforts are underway to make our schools and city better. That said for the record there is plenty of residential directly adjacent to Deal and Wilson.
No question DCPS and the City has totally blown this. Instead of being made at each other perhaps the focus should be on the City administration calling them out for bad decision making, inability to plan their way out of a paper bag and wasting valuable funds and energy.
I can't speak for the entire Lafayette community, but I am not hearing that we are angry at Murch. It is more a matter of why are we getting the shaft for DGS/DCPS incompetency? And it is the Lafayette community that is getting the biggest screw with this proposal.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The posters on the Chevy Chase Listserv come off as so rude and entitled. They're embarrassing themselves with their selfishness and their "my school", "my park", "my community" attitude. How they determined that the Murch community and Lafayette communities are separate is beyond me - I never saw that division until now, and all of a sudden we're like Israel and Palestine.
As the previous poster said - tone down the rhetoric. Murch parents don't want to swing off site, but they cannot realistically and safely remain at Murch through the renovation. The swing options are minimal and the trailers are already at Lafayette. If Murch swung to Lafayette, the density on the Lafayette site would arguably still be lower than that of Murch now (pre-renovation).
This NIMBY crew was happy to see Deal and Wilson neighbors live through multiple renovations. Again, the selfishness and entitlement of the posters is unlike anything I've seen within this "community" - even during the contentious boundary debacle. How about we all stand back and look at what makes the most sense from safety, learning and financial perspectives. And happy holidays!
Sorry but you really can't compare the Deal and Wilson renovations to what DGS is proposing in this immediate instance. Are you familiar with the neighborhood surrounding Lafayette? The school is surrounded on all sides by homes where people reside 24/7. Narrow streets are all that separate these homes from Lafayette. If you are familiar with Deal and Wilson, you know that very few homes had the same type of impact that the Lafayette community is dealing with during the renovation. Each school had a handful of homes that were likely impacted to the same extent as the numerous homes surrounding Lafayette. Those people that are most impacted by the renovation and resulting traffic, have been gracious and handled it well. However, they are now being told that they may have to deal with this for at least [i] another 2 years when they were specifically promised that this would not occur.
Also, what about the Lafayette students? Neither the Deal nor Wilson students were faced with having another school housed on the property after the renovation was finished. They were able to enjoy their renovated building and green space without having to share a relatively small park with an additional 600 children. This proposal would have the effect of subjecting the students and staff to at least 3 years of disruption (one year for the Lafayette renovation and another 2 years for Murch). What other school has been asked to do this?
It's not about an apple to apple comparison. The fact is neighbors of Deal and Wilson put up with the renovation two schools in a row that benefits a big chunk of families from a variety of feeder schools in various neighborhoods. No one like living with that kid of construction or some temporary overcrowding, but that's life when efforts are underway to make our schools and city better. That said for the record there is plenty of residential directly adjacent to Deal and Wilson.
No question DCPS and the City has totally blown this. Instead of being made at each other perhaps the focus should be on the City administration calling them out for bad decision making, inability to plan their way out of a paper bag and wasting valuable funds and energy.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The posters on the Chevy Chase Listserv come off as so rude and entitled. They're embarrassing themselves with their selfishness and their "my school", "my park", "my community" attitude. How they determined that the Murch community and Lafayette communities are separate is beyond me - I never saw that division until now, and all of a sudden we're like Israel and Palestine.
As the previous poster said - tone down the rhetoric. Murch parents don't want to swing off site, but they cannot realistically and safely remain at Murch through the renovation. The swing options are minimal and the trailers are already at Lafayette. If Murch swung to Lafayette, the density on the Lafayette site would arguably still be lower than that of Murch now (pre-renovation).
This NIMBY crew was happy to see Deal and Wilson neighbors live through multiple renovations. Again, the selfishness and entitlement of the posters is unlike anything I've seen within this "community" - even during the contentious boundary debacle. How about we all stand back and look at what makes the most sense from safety, learning and financial perspectives. And happy holidays!
Sorry but you really can't compare the Deal and Wilson renovations to what DGS is proposing in this immediate instance. Are you familiar with the neighborhood surrounding Lafayette? The school is surrounded on all sides by homes where people reside 24/7. Narrow streets are all that separate these homes from Lafayette. If you are familiar with Deal and Wilson, you know that very few homes had the same type of impact that the Lafayette community is dealing with during the renovation. Each school had a handful of homes that were likely impacted to the same extent as the numerous homes surrounding Lafayette. Those people that are most impacted by the renovation and resulting traffic, have been gracious and handled it well. However, they are now being told that they may have to deal with this for at least [i] another 2 years when they were specifically promised that this would not occur.
Also, what about the Lafayette students? Neither the Deal nor Wilson students were faced with having another school housed on the property after the renovation was finished. They were able to enjoy their renovated building and green space without having to share a relatively small park with an additional 600 children. This proposal would have the effect of subjecting the students and staff to at least 3 years of disruption (one year for the Lafayette renovation and another 2 years for Murch). What other school has been asked to do this?
This was asked last night. No other school has been asked to do this before.
They have not done any analysis of the ability of the playground equipment to handle this level of (over)use at Lafayette Park. The equipment has already broken twice since September and the space was closed for repairs anyways while they were fixed. Apparently, there are already safety concerns during recess as it is, and it's unclear, given that these spaces are already used all day every day to accommodate one set of school's kids (and that the playgound at Lafayette School would not be able to be completed until the trailers come down as they will occupy that same space), how on earth the additional kids would even be able to have any outdoor time anyways, let alone the safety of it. They have not done any analysis of whether this # of students in the indoor and outdoor spaces here is in line with zoning requirements. They have not done any analysis of whether any safety/emergency/evacuation procedures for the 1,400+ kids on site would comply with fire codes and other DC laws (likely because they also have not put any thought into any such plans to begin with). They had no #s at all for actual costs of any of their options under consideration, let alone cost savings associated with this plan.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The posters on the Chevy Chase Listserv come off as so rude and entitled. They're embarrassing themselves with their selfishness and their "my school", "my park", "my community" attitude. How they determined that the Murch community and Lafayette communities are separate is beyond me - I never saw that division until now, and all of a sudden we're like Israel and Palestine.
As the previous poster said - tone down the rhetoric. Murch parents don't want to swing off site, but they cannot realistically and safely remain at Murch through the renovation. The swing options are minimal and the trailers are already at Lafayette. If Murch swung to Lafayette, the density on the Lafayette site would arguably still be lower than that of Murch now (pre-renovation).
This NIMBY crew was happy to see Deal and Wilson neighbors live through multiple renovations. Again, the selfishness and entitlement of the posters is unlike anything I've seen within this "community" - even during the contentious boundary debacle. How about we all stand back and look at what makes the most sense from safety, learning and financial perspectives. And happy holidays!
Sorry but you really can't compare the Deal and Wilson renovations to what DGS is proposing in this immediate instance. Are you familiar with the neighborhood surrounding Lafayette? The school is surrounded on all sides by homes where people reside 24/7. Narrow streets are all that separate these homes from Lafayette. If you are familiar with Deal and Wilson, you know that very few homes had the same type of impact that the Lafayette community is dealing with during the renovation. Each school had a handful of homes that were likely impacted to the same extent as the numerous homes surrounding Lafayette. Those people that are most impacted by the renovation and resulting traffic, have been gracious and handled it well. However, they are now being told that they may have to deal with this for at least [i] another 2 years when they were specifically promised that this would not occur.
Also, what about the Lafayette students? Neither the Deal nor Wilson students were faced with having another school housed on the property after the renovation was finished. They were able to enjoy their renovated building and green space without having to share a relatively small park with an additional 600 children. This proposal would have the effect of subjecting the students and staff to at least 3 years of disruption (one year for the Lafayette renovation and another 2 years for Murch). What other school has been asked to do this?
It's not about an apple to apple comparison. The fact is neighbors of Deal and Wilson put up with the renovation two schools in a row that benefits a big chunk of families from a variety of feeder schools in various neighborhoods. No one like living with that kid of construction or some temporary overcrowding, but that's life when efforts are underway to make our schools and city better. That said for the record there is plenty of residential directly adjacent to Deal and Wilson.
No question DCPS and the City has totally blown this. Instead of being made at each other perhaps the focus should be on the City administration calling them out for bad decision making, inability to plan their way out of a paper bag and wasting valuable funds and energy.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The posters on the Chevy Chase Listserv come off as so rude and entitled. They're embarrassing themselves with their selfishness and their "my school", "my park", "my community" attitude. How they determined that the Murch community and Lafayette communities are separate is beyond me - I never saw that division until now, and all of a sudden we're like Israel and Palestine.
As the previous poster said - tone down the rhetoric. Murch parents don't want to swing off site, but they cannot realistically and safely remain at Murch through the renovation. The swing options are minimal and the trailers are already at Lafayette. If Murch swung to Lafayette, the density on the Lafayette site would arguably still be lower than that of Murch now (pre-renovation).
This NIMBY crew was happy to see Deal and Wilson neighbors live through multiple renovations. Again, the selfishness and entitlement of the posters is unlike anything I've seen within this "community" - even during the contentious boundary debacle. How about we all stand back and look at what makes the most sense from safety, learning and financial perspectives. And happy holidays!
Sorry but you really can't compare the Deal and Wilson renovations to what DGS is proposing in this immediate instance. Are you familiar with the neighborhood surrounding Lafayette? The school is surrounded on all sides by homes where people reside 24/7. Narrow streets are all that separate these homes from Lafayette. If you are familiar with Deal and Wilson, you know that very few homes had the same type of impact that the Lafayette community is dealing with during the renovation. Each school had a handful of homes that were likely impacted to the same extent as the numerous homes surrounding Lafayette. Those people that are most impacted by the renovation and resulting traffic, have been gracious and handled it well. However, they are now being told that they may have to deal with this for at least [i] another 2 years when they were specifically promised that this would not occur.
Also, what about the Lafayette students? Neither the Deal nor Wilson students were faced with having another school housed on the property after the renovation was finished. They were able to enjoy their renovated building and green space without having to share a relatively small park with an additional 600 children. This proposal would have the effect of subjecting the students and staff to at least 3 years of disruption (one year for the Lafayette renovation and another 2 years for Murch). What other school has been asked to do this?
Anonymous wrote:The traffic survey was the craziest thing - they plan to do a survey when school is OUT, over the holidays.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The traffic survey was the craziest thing - they plan to do a survey when school is OUT, over the holidays.
It's an old traffic trick, and the DC government has finally caught on to it. Developers always do their traffic surveys over Christmas or in the summer when the public and private schools are out. (This is almost a joke with projects along the Wisconsin corridor where there is such a concentration of schools.)
Anonymous wrote:The traffic survey was the craziest thing - they plan to do a survey when school is OUT, over the holidays.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We weren't able to attend the meeting at Lafayette last night - any updates/impressions? Thanks in advance!
There was a Post reporter in attendance, taking notes - hopefully she'll write a story about it. The PPT presented is supposed to be updated and posted here: http://www.lafayettehsa.org/category/renovation/
But the short of it: an overwhelming majority of >700 survey respondents are strongly opposed to using the existing Lafayette swing space for Murch, there are still a few other viable options for Murch to move to during renovations, this option was put 'back on the table' because the Chancellor insisted it needed to be reviewed as an option. DGS has a list of criteria they'll use in evaluating the viable sites for Murch to move to, but no weighting, and no consistent fact or data collection mechanism in place so the options can be evaluated in an objective manner (forgive my editorializing!). Council Member Todd appeared and reaffirmed what he wrote in the letter he sent, objecting to use of the Lafayette site for Murch, give the other more viable, less disruptive options. DGS was a little all over the place about the reasons: the cost savings and financial impact weren't presented, and are supposed to be part of the updated PPT posted to the school site...
All accurate. What was confusing to me was why the Chancellor suddenly insisted Lafayette be included for consideration. The DGS guy said the swing space costs of the four options (including Lafayette) were comparable, suggesting that using the Lafayette trailers won't save money or be more efficient. That's a big missing piece of the equation for me--why did this get forced back on the table now? I left early, so maybe this question was asked an answered (although I suspect not, since it was clear that the DGS folks were not in a position to answer questions about DCPS motivations, and the guy there representing DCPS--Patrick?--was useless).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We weren't able to attend the meeting at Lafayette last night - any updates/impressions? Thanks in advance!
There was a Post reporter in attendance, taking notes - hopefully she'll write a story about it. The PPT presented is supposed to be updated and posted here: http://www.lafayettehsa.org/category/renovation/
But the short of it: an overwhelming majority of >700 survey respondents are strongly opposed to using the existing Lafayette swing space for Murch, there are still a few other viable options for Murch to move to during renovations, this option was put 'back on the table' because the Chancellor insisted it needed to be reviewed as an option. DGS has a list of criteria they'll use in evaluating the viable sites for Murch to move to, but no weighting, and no consistent fact or data collection mechanism in place so the options can be evaluated in an objective manner (forgive my editorializing!). Council Member Todd appeared and reaffirmed what he wrote in the letter he sent, objecting to use of the Lafayette site for Murch, give the other more viable, less disruptive options. DGS was a little all over the place about the reasons: the cost savings and financial impact weren't presented, and are supposed to be part of the updated PPT posted to the school site...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We weren't able to attend the meeting at Lafayette last night - any updates/impressions? Thanks in advance!
There was a Post reporter in attendance, taking notes - hopefully she'll write a story about it. The PPT presented is supposed to be updated and posted here: http://www.lafayettehsa.org/category/renovation/
But the short of it: an overwhelming majority of >700 survey respondents are strongly opposed to using the existing Lafayette swing space for Murch, there are still a few other viable options for Murch to move to during renovations, this option was put 'back on the table' because the Chancellor insisted it needed to be reviewed as an option. DGS has a list of criteria they'll use in evaluating the viable sites for Murch to move to, but no weighting, and no consistent fact or data collection mechanism in place so the options can be evaluated in an objective manner (forgive my editorializing!). Council Member Todd appeared and reaffirmed what he wrote in the letter he sent, objecting to use of the Lafayette site for Murch, give the other more viable, less disruptive options. DGS was a little all over the place about the reasons: the cost savings and financial impact weren't presented, and are supposed to be part of the updated PPT posted to the school site...