Awww, it's just too hard...

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Anonymous wrote:Ann Coulter is right on in this regard: "If we want to help African Americans, ban the Dems not their flag":

"Coulter said, “I think it’s completely moronic. I mean this is an awful awful thing that happened in Charleston. Luckily, it’s quite rare. But to jump on this and go back to a litany of liberal talking points that make Republicans look bad, how about banning the Democratic party? They were the ones supported the Confederate side of the Civil War. They were the ones that supported segregation for a hundred years. If we want to do something nice for black people, how about ending immigration which is dumping millions of low-wage workers on the country and taking jobs from African-Americans, as enumerable studies have shown. I mean there are all sorts of nice things you could be doing here.”"

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/23/coulter-if-we-want-to-help-african-americans-ban-the-dems-not-their-flag/

Quoting Ann Coulter and Breitbart and makes you look like an uneducated fool.

Not understanding the black man is getting screwed for a voter block is making you look like a sheep.

Alabama had the most strict immigration law in the country. All of the "illegals" left and guess what, NO American could do those jobs. Not white or black. They even tried bringing the prisoners to work in the fields and factories. They were like, hell no - not for that wage. Alabama lost $10B in one year after the law went into effect. Produce rotted and chicken producers closed. AL has been trying to reverse the law, but it's too late.

It's all highlighted in a recent episode on Vice.

So what you are saying is no American WOULD do the job, not COULD. That's because they are not hungry enough.

Another PP here. I suppose you are right. But they were the lowest wage jobs with no benefits in unbearable conditions. I think the PP's point is that for all this talk about the ills of illiegal immigration, a huge part of Alambama's economy relied on it. Because, for whatever reason, the folks of Alabama did not want to endure those conditions for such a paltry wage. Those folks have their sights set on the oil and gas jobs - not the fruit picker jobs.

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jsteele wrote:In the thread about the murders in Charleston, discussion veered off on a tangent about the Confederate Battle Flag which still flies over South Carolina's Statehouse. While other flags were lowered to half staff today, that one remained at full staff. Rather than continue to divert that thread . . .
So, what are your opinions about the Confederate Battle Flag?

I agree with you: the flag is a tangent. It's just a piece of cloth and it's being used to divert us from real issues in our community.

Flags are immaterial to you, flying any flag at half-mast or above or below any other is merely a question of aesthetics, the Stars and Stripes would look prettier if it copied the Union Jack.

jsteele wrote:In the thread about the murders in Charleston, discussion veered off on a tangent about the Confederate Battle Flag which still flies over South Carolina's Statehouse. While other flags were lowered to half staff today, that one remained at full staff. Rather than continue to divert that thread . . .
So, what are your opinions about the Confederate Battle Flag?

I agree with you: the flag is a tangent. It's just a piece of cloth and it's being used to divert us from real issues in our community.

Let's all stop speculating on what we think the Confederate flag stands for and look for some authoritative sources. Why not start with the guy who designed and promoted it in the first place?

That would be William Tappan Thompson.

And here's what William Tappan Thompson said about his design for the Confederate flag (known as the Stainless Banner) along with the design for the Confederate Battle Flag:

"As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."

"Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN'S FLAG."

"As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals."

The debate is OVER. The Confederate flag was from the start designed to represent white supremacy, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Should Amazon stop selling Communist merchandise as well?

You are the master of the bad analogy.

Amazon will continue to sell Chinese products as long as the American public wants to buy it. I doubt that confederate flag merchandise ever added up to much for them

Fun fact, most confederate flags are manufactured in China. Discuss!

I'm not talking about items made in China. I'm talking about Communist merchandise.

While I am glad Southerners are engaging in discussion about the confederate flag and its meaning, when living in upstate NY, I saw these flags. Those of us n the North should those who fly it or use it to express themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Until this recent incident, I had no idea that the Confederate flag was still flown and that flag merchandise was available, let alone popular. I thought that sort of thing went out at least fifty years ago. It's really disturbing that people even feel the need to debate this.

I recently traveled 2,500 miles through the south and because of what happened in SC, and the many debates on here, I was looking for the stars and bars. Many of those miles were spent on state highways so I saw homes, small towns, lots of local cars and more. I saw exactly ONE Confederate flag...it was flying outside a store that sold flags along with many other kinds of flags. I saw no stickers displaying those colors. In fact, I saw a lot of signs on businesses and churches expressing support for the families who lost their lives in that church. I saw one sign, a rather large one, in east Texas that said...IMPEACH OBAMA. 50 years ago it wasn't uncommon to see the Confederate flag. 30 to 40 years ago I would have still seen a quite a few. Today, thankfully, it is very rare. It will never go away completely but it is good that it is headed to obscure status.

Until this recent incident, I had no idea that the Confederate flag was still flown and that flag merchandise was available, let alone popular. I thought that sort of thing went out at least fifty years ago. It's really disturbing that people even feel the need to debate this.

Anonymous wrote:I've always hated this flag, and I'm glad there's some real movement to take it down from government buildings. But I feel it's just a token measure that makes people feel good for the moment, and nobody cares to address the true, systemic racism that pervades every aspect of our culture.

A flag is easy. Racism, not so much.

As you have written that...it was absolutely true on a large scale in 1933, today it is nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:Amusingly, it always seems to be the folks who go around insisting that blacks should forget about slavery and the history of oppression (which by the way still continues) and move on and put history behind them are typically the same ones who are bitterly clinging to those Confederate flags, refusing to put their own lost war and lost cause of past history behind themselves.

I see you have learned how to copy and paste.

Anonymous wrote:Should Amazon stop selling Communist merchandise as well?

You are the master of the bad analogy.

Amazon will continue to sell Chinese products as long as the American public wants to buy it. I doubt that confederate flag merchandise ever added up to much for them

Fun fact, most confederate flags are manufactured in China. Discuss!

Should Amazon stop selling Communist merchandise as well?

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Anonymous wrote:That's not making you look any smarter.

I am correct, however.

And so modest too.

Get over yourself.

Anonymous wrote:That's not making you look any smarter.

I am correct, however.