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Anonymous wrote:The facts in the administrative warrant admit that the subject could have been apprehended multiple times in places around and in the courthouse but not the courtroom. The judge did nothing wrong as iCE had omen of bites at the apple. The tell here is they cuffed her with her arms behind her back for the photo op.

Imagine thinking it’s ok to have the lawyer for a woman battered by this illegal alien left waiting (still ready to testify!) because the judge couldn’t be bothered to let him know she had secreted the criminal out the back door to let him escape.

This is going to be dropped and she’s going to make fools of the gestapo, yet again.

The main point here is about how ICE was attempting to arrest him—not the existence of a prior deportation order. An administrative warrant, like the one ICE had, isn’t signed by a judge and doesn’t carry the same legal weight, especially within a courthouse.

Judges have the authority to challenge ICE arrests in their courtrooms when proper judicial procedures aren’t followed. That’s exactly what Dugan did. Now, she’s being charged simply for defending the basic integrity of the courtroom.

You're just making crap up. The fact that ICE had an administrative warrant is immaterial here.

The type of warrant is irrelevant. The ONLY question is whether she violated the law. She cannot use the type of warrant as an excuse.

The entire point is that the type of warrant thay had is relevant to/determinative of whether she violated the law.

If you read the govt’s own complaint they rode in the elevator down with him so this whole charade about a foot race outside the courthouse is just manufactured nonsense.

There were no ICE agents in the elevator. Just a single DEA agent.

The DEA agent was the ICE agent. ICE is so swamped with work that they have brought in people from other agencies to do their job for them.

Wrong. Read the affidavit.

The affidavit says the DEA agent was a member of the Milwaukee ICE ERO Task Force

Yes. That doesn't make him an ICE agent.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts in the administrative warrant admit that the subject could have been apprehended multiple times in places around and in the courthouse but not the courtroom. The judge did nothing wrong as iCE had omen of bites at the apple. The tell here is they cuffed her with her arms behind her back for the photo op.

Imagine thinking it’s ok to have the lawyer for a woman battered by this illegal alien left waiting (still ready to testify!) because the judge couldn’t be bothered to let him know she had secreted the criminal out the back door to let him escape.

This is going to be dropped and she’s going to make fools of the gestapo, yet again.

The main point here is about how ICE was attempting to arrest him—not the existence of a prior deportation order. An administrative warrant, like the one ICE had, isn’t signed by a judge and doesn’t carry the same legal weight, especially within a courthouse.

Judges have the authority to challenge ICE arrests in their courtrooms when proper judicial procedures aren’t followed. That’s exactly what Dugan did. Now, she’s being charged simply for defending the basic integrity of the courtroom.

You're just making crap up. The fact that ICE had an administrative warrant is immaterial here.

The type of warrant is irrelevant. The ONLY question is whether she violated the law. She cannot use the type of warrant as an excuse.

The entire point is that the type of warrant thay had is relevant to/determinative of whether she violated the law.

If you read the govt’s own complaint they rode in the elevator down with him so this whole charade about a foot race outside the courthouse is just manufactured nonsense.

There were no ICE agents in the elevator. Just a single DEA agent.

The DEA agent was the ICE agent. ICE is so swamped with work that they have brought in people from other agencies to do their job for them.

Wrong. Read the affidavit.

The affidavit says the DEA agent was a member of the Milwaukee ICE ERO Task Force

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Anonymous wrote:The facts in the administrative warrant admit that the subject could have been apprehended multiple times in places around and in the courthouse but not the courtroom. The judge did nothing wrong as iCE had omen of bites at the apple. The tell here is they cuffed her with her arms behind her back for the photo op.

Imagine thinking it’s ok to have the lawyer for a woman battered by this illegal alien left waiting (still ready to testify!) because the judge couldn’t be bothered to let him know she had secreted the criminal out the back door to let him escape.

This is going to be dropped and she’s going to make fools of the gestapo, yet again.

The main point here is about how ICE was attempting to arrest him—not the existence of a prior deportation order. An administrative warrant, like the one ICE had, isn’t signed by a judge and doesn’t carry the same legal weight, especially within a courthouse.

Judges have the authority to challenge ICE arrests in their courtrooms when proper judicial procedures aren’t followed. That’s exactly what Dugan did. Now, she’s being charged simply for defending the basic integrity of the courtroom.

You're just making crap up. The fact that ICE had an administrative warrant is immaterial here.

The type of warrant is irrelevant. The ONLY question is whether she violated the law. She cannot use the type of warrant as an excuse.

The entire point is that the type of warrant thay had is relevant to/determinative of whether she violated the law.

If you read the govt’s own complaint they rode in the elevator down with him so this whole charade about a foot race outside the courthouse is just manufactured nonsense.

There were no ICE agents in the elevator. Just a single DEA agent.

The DEA agent was the ICE agent. ICE is so swamped with work that they have brought in people from other agencies to do their job for them.

Wrong. Read the affidavit.

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Anonymous wrote:The facts in the administrative warrant admit that the subject could have been apprehended multiple times in places around and in the courthouse but not the courtroom. The judge did nothing wrong as iCE had omen of bites at the apple. The tell here is they cuffed her with her arms behind her back for the photo op.

Imagine thinking it’s ok to have the lawyer for a woman battered by this illegal alien left waiting (still ready to testify!) because the judge couldn’t be bothered to let him know she had secreted the criminal out the back door to let him escape.

This is going to be dropped and she’s going to make fools of the gestapo, yet again.

The main point here is about how ICE was attempting to arrest him—not the existence of a prior deportation order. An administrative warrant, like the one ICE had, isn’t signed by a judge and doesn’t carry the same legal weight, especially within a courthouse.

Judges have the authority to challenge ICE arrests in their courtrooms when proper judicial procedures aren’t followed. That’s exactly what Dugan did. Now, she’s being charged simply for defending the basic integrity of the courtroom.

You're just making crap up. The fact that ICE had an administrative warrant is immaterial here.

The type of warrant is irrelevant. The ONLY question is whether she violated the law. She cannot use the type of warrant as an excuse.

The entire point is that the type of warrant thay had is relevant to/determinative of whether she violated the law.

If you read the govt’s own complaint they rode in the elevator down with him so this whole charade about a foot race outside the courthouse is just manufactured nonsense.

There were no ICE agents in the elevator. Just a single DEA agent.

The DEA agent was the ICE agent. ICE is so swamped with work that they have brought in people from other agencies to do their job for them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The facts in the administrative warrant admit that the subject could have been apprehended multiple times in places around and in the courthouse but not the courtroom. The judge did nothing wrong as iCE had omen of bites at the apple. The tell here is they cuffed her with her arms behind her back for the photo op.

Imagine thinking it’s ok to have the lawyer for a woman battered by this illegal alien left waiting (still ready to testify!) because the judge couldn’t be bothered to let him know she had secreted the criminal out the back door to let him escape.

This is going to be dropped and she’s going to make fools of the gestapo, yet again.

The main point here is about how ICE was attempting to arrest him—not the existence of a prior deportation order. An administrative warrant, like the one ICE had, isn’t signed by a judge and doesn’t carry the same legal weight, especially within a courthouse.

Judges have the authority to challenge ICE arrests in their courtrooms when proper judicial procedures aren’t followed. That’s exactly what Dugan did. Now, she’s being charged simply for defending the basic integrity of the courtroom.

You're just making crap up. The fact that ICE had an administrative warrant is immaterial here.

The type of warrant is irrelevant. The ONLY question is whether she violated the law. She cannot use the type of warrant as an excuse.

The entire point is that the type of warrant thay had is relevant to/determinative of whether she violated the law.

If you read the govt’s own complaint they rode in the elevator down with him so this whole charade about a foot race outside the courthouse is just manufactured nonsense.

There were no ICE agents in the elevator. Just a single DEA agent.

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Anonymous wrote:They intended to arrest him after his hearing. That is a reasonable plan. Who knew the judge would sneak him out?
His victims were there to testify.

Should they have arrested him sooner? Doesn't matter.

She did not "sneak him out".

She allowed him to leave through a side door that lead to the hallway where the ICE agents were waiting. They followed him outside of the building and arrested him.

She in no way impeded his arrest.

She may not have wanted him to be arrested in the corridor in front of her courtroom. There may have been other defendants waiting in the hallway.

Don't post Bondi's lies. Wait for the facts.

The agents were not waiting there, because she had sent them to talk to another judge. She escorted him out, with the intent of having him not be arrested.

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Anonymous wrote:They intended to arrest him after his hearing. That is a reasonable plan. Who knew the judge would sneak him out?
His victims were there to testify.

Should they have arrested him sooner? Doesn't matter.

She did not "sneak him out".

She allowed him to leave through a side door that lead to the hallway where the ICE agents were waiting. They followed him outside of the building and arrested him.

She in no way impeded his arrest.

She may not have wanted him to be arrested in the corridor in front of her courtroom. There may have been other defendants waiting in the hallway.

Don't post Bondi's lies. Wait for the facts.

We have the facts in her charging docs. She tried to help him escape, and interfered with federal officers. That’s why she was arrested and charged.

Do you really think the FBI would arrest a judge without a 100% slam dunk case?

Read the affidavit. This really IS a slam-dunk case.

She will see prison time (as she should).

No, her lawyer will tell the jury to send a message against Trump, and some liberal in the jury will vote not guilty.

Anonymous wrote:Here is a pretty good explanation from an attorney:

https://attorneyryan.substack.com/p/deep-dive-trumps-fbi-arrested-a-sitting?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Thanks for posting. It's interesting how the two "sides" diverge here. Those on Dugan's side are clinging to the idea that the agents had the wrong warrant and trying to excuse Dugan's behavior on that basis. Honestly, though, I don't think that's how it went down. I think if she had actually believed that their warrant wasn't sufficient, she would've explained to Flores-Ruiz's attorney and instructed the attorney on how to get the arrest overturned. Instead, Dugan went rogue and decided to sneak the guy out. Not very professional.

Besides, the administrative warrant DOES allow agents to make arrests in public, and the Chief Judge confirmed that hallways are public. Judge Dugan could've stayed out of it and simply said, my courtroom is not an appropriate place for an arrest based on an administrative warrant, you'll need to wait until he's in a public area. But she was helping him evade arrest. I don't see any way around this, although I appreciate the defense she's trying to mount.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how this thread seems to have lost all its inertia once details of the judge’s conduct came out, and it turns out she did exactly what posters on page 1 suggested she did. Those posters were attacked of course…

And now this thread is withering on the vine.


That makes me laugh.

There's nothing to say. The judge should not have been arrested. The ICE/DEA/DOJ whichever (there's a lot of lousy reporting) agents were in the wrong.

This is a(nother) black mark for this administration. Do they really think this is going well for them? That this dumb stunt was a good idea? That this is gong to make the judiciary more sympathetic to their dumb legal shenanigans? Does anyone at all in this administration have a brain?

Wrong, PP. you are completely wrong.

And uninformed. Educate yourself, fool.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d62bd73e-a370-40e4-8d37-3cb70f6fa035.pdf

Your evidence the complaint?

Lolololol.

(DP). PP didn't post the complaint, they posted an FBI agent's affidavit. Read it. It's compelling. There are a lot of witnesses here. I feel badly for Dugan's courtroom deputy, he obviously was just doing his job and telling the truth but she seems like the type to retaliate.

The government wouldn't be able to get that many third party witnesses (attorneys, prosecutors, courtroom deputies) to corroborate unless they had a pretty accurate understanding of what went down. Video surveillance will probably also corroborate their testimony.

As a lawyer myself who has spent her fair share in courtrooms, it is VERY unusual for Dugan to allow the defendant to exit that way. She knew what she was doing.

(I'm a Democrat if it matters).

“Republicans are breaking the law

and they put little Pammie on all the news networks to try to gaslight the U.S. public into thinking this is the way it has always been.”

Someone needs to remind Ms Bondi of two words: “John Mitchell.”

Here is a pretty good explanation from an attorney:

https://attorneyryan.substack.com/p/deep-dive-trumps-fbi-arrested-a-sitting?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They intended to arrest him after his hearing. That is a reasonable plan. Who knew the judge would sneak him out?
His victims were there to testify.

Should they have arrested him sooner? Doesn't matter.

She did not "sneak him out".

She allowed him to leave through a side door that lead to the hallway where the ICE agents were waiting. They followed him outside of the building and arrested him.

She in no way impeded his arrest.

She may not have wanted him to be arrested in the corridor in front of her courtroom. There may have been other defendants waiting in the hallway.

Don't post Bondi's lies. Wait for the facts.

We have the facts in her charging docs. She tried to help him escape, and interfered with federal officers. That’s why she was arrested and charged.

Do you really think the FBI would arrest a judge without a 100% slam dunk case?

Read the affidavit. This really IS a slam-dunk case.

She will see prison time (as she should).

Someone might be prison time, but I don’t think that it will her her.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how this thread seems to have lost all its inertia once details of the judge’s conduct came out, and it turns out she did exactly what posters on page 1 suggested she did. Those posters were attacked of course…

And now this thread is withering on the vine.


That makes me laugh.

There's nothing to say. The judge should not have been arrested. The ICE/DEA/DOJ whichever (there's a lot of lousy reporting) agents were in the wrong.

This is a(nother) black mark for this administration. Do they really think this is going well for them? That this dumb stunt was a good idea? That this is gong to make the judiciary more sympathetic to their dumb legal shenanigans? Does anyone at all in this administration have a brain?

Wrong, PP. you are completely wrong.

And uninformed. Educate yourself, fool.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d62bd73e-a370-40e4-8d37-3cb70f6fa035.pdf

Your evidence the complaint?

Lolololol.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They intended to arrest him after his hearing. That is a reasonable plan. Who knew the judge would sneak him out?
His victims were there to testify.

Should they have arrested him sooner? Doesn't matter.

She did not "sneak him out".

She allowed him to leave through a side door that lead to the hallway where the ICE agents were waiting. They followed him outside of the building and arrested him.

She in no way impeded his arrest.

She may not have wanted him to be arrested in the corridor in front of her courtroom. There may have been other defendants waiting in the hallway.

Don't post Bondi's lies. Wait for the facts.

We have the facts in her charging docs. She tried to help him escape, and interfered with federal officers. That’s why she was arrested and charged.

Do you really think the FBI would arrest a judge without a 100% slam dunk case?

lol…have you been in a coma since January 20th? Do you know who is in charge of the FBI?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They intended to arrest him after his hearing. That is a reasonable plan. Who knew the judge would sneak him out?
His victims were there to testify.

Should they have arrested him sooner? Doesn't matter.

She did not "sneak him out".

She allowed him to leave through a side door that lead to the hallway where the ICE agents were waiting. They followed him outside of the building and arrested him.

She in no way impeded his arrest.

She may not have wanted him to be arrested in the corridor in front of her courtroom. There may have been other defendants waiting in the hallway.

Don't post Bondi's lies. Wait for the facts.

We have the facts in her charging docs. She tried to help him escape, and interfered with federal officers. That’s why she was arrested and charged.

Do you really think the FBI would arrest a judge without a 100% slam dunk case?

Read the affidavit. This really IS a slam-dunk case.

She will see prison time (as she should).