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Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

The reason we can't have a productive discussion about this, OP, is because you are assuming two conclusions which the majority of Americans simply don't agree with: 1) that the U.S. is deeply misogynistic country; and 2) that the U.S. is a uniquely misogynistic country.

Why does the US have to be uniquely misogynistic for us to want better for our own society?

It doesn't, of course. It's the childish "well, Ethan's parents let him do it so why can't I?"

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Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

The reason we can't have a productive discussion about this, OP, is because you are assuming two conclusions which the majority of Americans simply don't agree with: 1) that the U.S. is deeply misogynistic country; and 2) that the U.S. is a uniquely misogynistic country.

Why does the US have to be uniquely misogynistic for us to want better for our own society?

Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

The reason we can't have a productive discussion about this, OP, is because you are assuming two conclusions which the majority of Americans simply don't agree with: 1) that the U.S. is deeply misogynistic country; and 2) that the U.S. is a uniquely misogynistic country.

I am a mid 50s single never married no kids white woman. I have supported myself my entire adult life.

I am straight. I would rather be alone than in a bad relationship.

Younger women are sick of us older women.

Let them learn for themselves.

They will not understand because they have only ever lived in a world where women have rights.

They can watch Hulu series like Handmaids Tale. They honestly don't believe it could ever happen.

The past feels more real to women my age and older because we saw what our mothers and grandmothers lived.

My own grandmother gave birth to 8 children. There was no birth control pill. No legal abortion.

And you are under the impression that things will always be the way they are.

Truly, the people voted into office are run by the likes of Elon Musk. He himself came from a violent divorced family home, where his mother was beaten by his father when she was pregnant. Elon was not great to his first wife. She said he told the counselor he wanted a divorce, just stopped going to counseling.

These wealthy and powerful men struggle with relationships with women in their own lives. Women are an insignificant fact of life for them. The woman's role for them is birthing and being arm candy. That's it.

Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

Stopping the whining would be a good start.

Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

I have come to conclude that misogyny is s part of male DNA.

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Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

That void is religion. As participation in organized religion has decreased, the rise of these types of people has increased. It's religion, just by a different name, but with the same base impulses.

Yes, exactly. The deplorable state of the current Democratic Party is exactly aligned with the drop in church attendance and religiousness of the left. Unfortunately (and I say this as an atheist), people instinctively need and want something to believe in. Religion went away on the left, so they replaced it with identity, and as a result the progressives are completely irrational. Identity is a religious belief now, not a political one.

Oh please, I'm in no way shape, or form basing my vote solely on social justice issues. However, you are comparing your religion (or lack of it) to actual things happening in this country. Women have historically made less than men, gay and trans people suffer all kinds of wrongs just by being who they are. Women die because of lack of reproductive care. But sure, tell me how that's the same as caring about God. Yes, Dems concentrated more on that than the economy, but please tell me how wrong we are as opposed to school board people running solely on "we don't want boys in girls bathroom."

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Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

That void is religion. As participation in organized religion has decreased, the rise of these types of people has increased. It's religion, just by a different name, but with the same base impulses.

I think this is true. IMO, most people are hard-wired to believe in something bigger than they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.

Out of curiosity, what realities were you avoiding?

The actual state of the presidential race, for one.

The reality that around half the voters in this country prefer hateful rhetoric and scapegoating from a self-professed authoritarian wannabe to any discussion of hard work to find real solutions to real problems.

Well, I was speaking more about the perception of how the race was going, but yeah, I don’t disagree with your observation.

Women need to support women. We need to be less concerned with our bodies and more concerned with our brains.

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Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

That void is religion. As participation in organized religion has decreased, the rise of these types of people has increased. It's religion, just by a different name, but with the same base impulses.

The clueless lefties I know started out with a genuine admiration for their parents’ and grandparents’ contributions to the civil rights struggle. But they’ve lost the ability to gauge what causes warrant their “activism” and when they’re pushing too far. I remember the first time I heard a democratic pundit I know use the phrase “Latinx”. It was probably 7 years ago and portended everything we’re seeing now… the connection between the virtue signaling and the actual help people need has been so tenuous in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

That void is religion. As participation in organized religion has decreased, the rise of these types of people has increased. It's religion, just by a different name, but with the same base impulses.

Yes, exactly. The deplorable state of the current Democratic Party is exactly aligned with the drop in church attendance and religiousness of the left. Unfortunately (and I say this as an atheist), people instinctively need and want something to believe in. Religion went away on the left, so they replaced it with identity, and as a result the progressives are completely irrational. Identity is a religious belief now, not a political one.

Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

That void is religion. As participation in organized religion has decreased, the rise of these types of people has increased. It's religion, just by a different name, but with the same base impulses.

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Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

Ha! Like Trump voters are ever content. That is a good description of Trump voters. Never content. So they buy their guns and plan their overthrow of the government. Or at least of the school board.

I'd rather deal with social justice people who at least at their heart are trying to do something good for someone even if I think they are ham-handed about it sometimes.

Now you’re pretending to know something about Trump voters? Why wasn’t that knowledge put to use before now?