Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 15:26     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:Multiple people were complaining about the app this week. It's not consistent. My problem with Disney is that it's simply not elite enough. I pay all this money and still get to mingle with the average joe. That's not for me.
Spent the equivalent dollars on a vacation overseas last year and it was great. Not a lot of people and first class experience all the way.
But if you like Disney and it's your scence then go do it!


My god I hope you’re a troll.


DP but I agree with this. I don’t think that PP is saying anything so controversial, simply that if you are spending that much money on a vacation you want it to feel luxurious and special, and it doesn’t.


PP is openly saying they want to be separate from the riff raff. PP is an a-hole.


I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids.


You need a different kind of bubble, one where you limit contact to those people that meet your physical and behavioral standards. You obviously can't deal in the real, unfiltered world. Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 14:21     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:Multiple people were complaining about the app this week. It's not consistent. My problem with Disney is that it's simply not elite enough. I pay all this money and still get to mingle with the average joe. That's not for me.
Spent the equivalent dollars on a vacation overseas last year and it was great. Not a lot of people and first class experience all the way.
But if you like Disney and it's your scence then go do it!


My god I hope you’re a troll.


DP but I agree with this. I don’t think that PP is saying anything so controversial, simply that if you are spending that much money on a vacation you want it to feel luxurious and special, and it doesn’t.


PP is openly saying they want to be separate from the riff raff. PP is an a-hole.


I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids.


I’d love for PP to post their itinerary for their first class trip in Europe. We went twice last year and spent 20K each time for a family of four and it was not at all a first class experience and we were definitely surrounded by average joes.


NP but I go on scuba diving trips for this reason. Never any kids, and I mean never. It’s so much more pleasant.
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 14:14     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:Multiple people were complaining about the app this week. It's not consistent. My problem with Disney is that it's simply not elite enough. I pay all this money and still get to mingle with the average joe. That's not for me.
Spent the equivalent dollars on a vacation overseas last year and it was great. Not a lot of people and first class experience all the way.
But if you like Disney and it's your scence then go do it!


My god I hope you’re a troll.


DP but I agree with this. I don’t think that PP is saying anything so controversial, simply that if you are spending that much money on a vacation you want it to feel luxurious and special, and it doesn’t.


PP is openly saying they want to be separate from the riff raff. PP is an a-hole.


I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids.


That describes anywhere Americans go. Including our recent trip to Zion NP
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 09:32     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.


The math and science behind it all is fascinating. I’ve talked to a number of people that work there about this stuff. One point about the rides….many of the older rides that were high demand twenty years ago now have almost no waits. Dumbo, tea cups, the older Star Wars ride, etc.—those are easy to get. It’s just that they keep adding new rides and people queue up for those. You could go and have the 2002 experience with basically no waits unless it’s a really high crowd day.
We’ve been to a lot of national parks, historic churches, museums, etc. disney is really unique as an example of what man came build through sheer determination, creativity and money. It is the ultimate if you build it, they will come. I think the ancient Romans actually would have been very impressed. I would love to see what historians in 2000 here say about it, assuming we haven’t destroyed the earth for all living species.


The problem is that there are "really high crowd" days all of the time now. Just got back from a week there, waits were insane for all except Carousel of Progress. The last several times that I have gone, there have been substantial waits, even for old stand-bys like the People Mover, Gran Fiesta Tour and Spaceship Earth. So, even as a frequent Disney visitor who knows the parks well, I cannot have a 2002 experience anymore. And there have been many trips in the last 5 to 7 years where we have to skip riding certain things unless willing to wait 90-120 minutes because FP/LL forces you to pick one ride (Slinky Dog, Test Track, etc.)
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 09:30     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
When I look back at the worst weeks since I became a parent. There are the truly terrible weeks (concern about potential life threatening illness, whole family stomach bug, etc) and then there is the week we went to disney.

While not quite as bad as the truly terrible weeks it was worse than any other parenting experience.
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 09:18     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:Multiple people were complaining about the app this week. It's not consistent. My problem with Disney is that it's simply not elite enough. I pay all this money and still get to mingle with the average joe. That's not for me.
Spent the equivalent dollars on a vacation overseas last year and it was great. Not a lot of people and first class experience all the way.
But if you like Disney and it's your scence then go do it!


My god I hope you’re a troll.


DP but I agree with this. I don’t think that PP is saying anything so controversial, simply that if you are spending that much money on a vacation you want it to feel luxurious and special, and it doesn’t.


PP is openly saying they want to be separate from the riff raff. PP is an a-hole.


I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids.


I’d love for PP to post their itinerary for their first class trip in Europe. We went twice last year and spent 20K each time for a family of four and it was not at all a first class experience and we were definitely surrounded by average joes.
Anonymous
Post 10/28/2023 08:48     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Multiple people were complaining about the app this week. It's not consistent. My problem with Disney is that it's simply not elite enough. I pay all this money and still get to mingle with the average joe. That's not for me.
Spent the equivalent dollars on a vacation overseas last year and it was great. Not a lot of people and first class experience all the way.
But if you like Disney and it's your scence then go do it!


My god I hope you’re a troll.


DP but I agree with this. I don’t think that PP is saying anything so controversial, simply that if you are spending that much money on a vacation you want it to feel luxurious and special, and it doesn’t.


PP is openly saying they want to be separate from the riff raff. PP is an a-hole.


I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2023 18:47     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.

That's not really futuristic. Touring Plans isn't perfect, but does this pretty well.

Here now and we had no luck with the touring plans. The wait times were waaaay off. Like saying it’s 25 minutes when it’s posted at 70 (which is much more accurate).

I would agree with the OP. We won’t come back. It’s so complicated and expensive and I don’t want to spend my vacation setting alarms to get up at 7 so we can get in the virtual cue and analyzing which rides use genie plus and which use a separate fee. Magic Kingdom in particular feels tired and dated. The new rides are super cool but don’t justify the cost and crowds. It’s a 2 on the crowd calendar for MK today and it’s still crazy busy and long waits.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2023 10:28     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.

That's not really futuristic. Touring Plans isn't perfect, but does this pretty well.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2023 06:29     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:We did 2 days at Disneyland / California Adventure Park with a then 6th and 2nd grader. I’d recommend this for anyone who wants to check the box on Disney. I think less expensive than Disney World, and only 2 days. We stayed at an off site hotel across the street, no exorbitant rates.

At these ages, we skipped the princess meet and greet stuff, pricey restaurants, but kids still enjoyed Star Wars, Marvel etc.

Kids feel like they had the Disney experience and have never asked to go to Disney World.


Disneyland/CA are so much better IMO. We go for a long weekend in January and never wait more than 20 minutes in a line and the weather is glorious.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 20:32     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.


The math and science behind it all is fascinating. I’ve talked to a number of people that work there about this stuff. One point about the rides….many of the older rides that were high demand twenty years ago now have almost no waits. Dumbo, tea cups, the older Star Wars ride, etc.—those are easy to get. It’s just that they keep adding new rides and people queue up for those. You could go and have the 2002 experience with basically no waits unless it’s a really high crowd day.
We’ve been to a lot of national parks, historic churches, museums, etc. disney is really unique as an example of what man came build through sheer determination, creativity and money. It is the ultimate if you build it, they will come. I think the ancient Romans actually would have been very impressed. I would love to see what historians in 2000 here say about it, assuming we haven’t destroyed the earth for all living species.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 20:22     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
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Anonymous wrote:I am grateful to my parents for never taking us to Disneyland/World, and never encouraging a huge love of Disney. I loved the Little Mermaid but even as a child I never understood and was even somewhat embarrassed by others who seemed obsessed by Disney.
So glad to be passing this on to my kids. We would all much rather spend a long weekend around national parks than a crowded, expensive amusement park.


+1 I recall one of our college RAs being obsessed with Disney. Everyone thought she was weird and immature and it was no wonder she didn’t have a boyfriend.


Both of these posts just reek of snobbery. I didn’t go up gojng to disney but gawrsh (as Goofy would say)—get over yourself. You’re sooooo much cooler than your college RA. Congrats.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 19:13     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:I am grateful to my parents for never taking us to Disneyland/World, and never encouraging a huge love of Disney. I loved the Little Mermaid but even as a child I never understood and was even somewhat embarrassed by others who seemed obsessed by Disney.
So glad to be passing this on to my kids. We would all much rather spend a long weekend around national parks than a crowded, expensive amusement park.


+1 I recall one of our college RAs being obsessed with Disney. Everyone thought she was weird and immature and it was no wonder she didn’t have a boyfriend.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 18:24     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.


Touringplans.com does this reasonably well.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 17:58     Subject: Ready to be done with Disney
Anonymous wrote:It would be so interesting to see the information systems and work at Disney to figure out some kid of way to make it work better.

I know someone who works in a top position at one of the WDW parks, and I have heard some of this info. How many enter the parks. How they divert crowds (sometimes a food cart will do it). How they know expected numbers and can turn the dials to raise or lower it last minute.

However, it is SO complicated. There is constant tension between population, money, desirable rides, employment, quality of experience, geography.

I imagine some futuristic system where you input all the stuff you are interested in. And it spits out an itinerary that hits all of your stuff with minimal waiting. Hits a window of desired meal spot, and takes into account the walking and geography. And they do this for everyone so it all works.


Same poster. But there is also tension re: freedom, change of plans, perception that you can just do whatever you want and not be handed a controlled itinerary. So many people (picky fans, and on the opposite end, reluctant goers) would push back on this because they don’t want to be told.