Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Random days off during a school year disrupt learning less than a longer summer.
No. As a teacher, those random days break into routine and instruction. Sure, there is learning loss in the summer, but to have loss you must first have gain. It is really hard to make progress when there are constant interruptions.
It is astounding how parents and the school board just do not grasp the importance of listening to teachers. Many teachers dislike the new calendar due to all the disruptions and the fact that it shortens summer by a week. There is no substitute for being done with a school year. Random days off are not as restorative as a longer summer. We are losing teachers left and right and instead of listening to them we are making the job increasingly less desirable.
And yea I know there are like two teachers here who say they like the new calendar blah blah blah. You are very much in the minority and you know it.
Agree and most teachers do! This profession is getting gutted by school boards and admin. I fear for the future of education in this country. Look at the numbers for education majors undergrad and graduate. We are screwed.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Random days off during a school year disrupt learning less than a longer summer.
No. As a teacher, those random days break into routine and instruction. Sure, there is learning loss in the summer, but to have loss you must first have gain. It is really hard to make progress when there are constant interruptions.
It is astounding how parents and the school board just do not grasp the importance of listening to teachers. Many teachers dislike the new calendar due to all the disruptions and the fact that it shortens summer by a week. There is no substitute for being done with a school year. Random days off are not as restorative as a longer summer. We are losing teachers left and right and instead of listening to them we are making the job increasingly less desirable.
And yea I know there are like two teachers here who say they like the new calendar blah blah blah. You are very much in the minority and you know it.
Anonymous wrote:Random days off during a school year disrupt learning less than a longer summer.
No. As a teacher, those random days break into routine and instruction. Sure, there is learning loss in the summer, but to have loss you must first have gain. It is really hard to make progress when there are constant interruptions.
Random days off during a school year disrupt learning less than a longer summer.
Anonymous wrote:(I know someone is going to jump in with "but that's when the immigrants go visit their families" and guess what PP, those immigrants are NOT CHRISTIAN. They could visit their families if we had a two week fall break or spring break or many of them just go away for the whole summer.)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
IOW, “I got mine. Screw everybody else.”
And don’t try to claim you don’t celebrate Christmas because it’s an anonymous message board. Nope. Sorry.
Sure I celebrate Christmas. So do a lot of people. In fact, so many that the school system couldn't operate. It's also a federal holiday.
Now, why don't you provide any evidence that says the same for any Jewish or Muslim holiday in Fairfax County? Here's a hint: There is none.
This. It's such a ridiculous argument. When 80% of the country is off during this time, it's a pretty good reason to give school holidays. If less than 5% are off, it makes no sense to shut down. Diwali? Eid? RH, YK? Please. It's unnecessary.
Oh well. You’ll survive.
BUT WHY DO WE NEED OFF THE ENTIRE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS? Totally unnecessary. One week is fine.
Ah but then all the families that want to travel to Europe and Asia over the winter break would be inconvenienced and we can’t have that. The calendar is centered around connivence not what is best for the students. If we actually aimed for a schedule that worked best for the kids, we would prioritize 5 day school weeks and breaks that make sense, like after the end of a quarter. Instead the calendar needs to meet niche group X travel needs and y groups religious needs and z groups cultural needs and every federal holiday and squeeze in professional development and teacher work days.
Christmas is part of winter break because it is a federal holiday. It is a federal holiday because the vast majority of the federal work force takes vacation during that time. It is also the reason why there are industries that simply shut down for the week between Christmas and New Years. A large percentage of the population takes that time off. Yes, it is because of Christmas but that doesn’t change the fact that the number of people taking time off is enough to shut down the government and businesses. No other religious holiday in the US, to include Easter, comes even close to number of people taking vacation. The religious holidays that are days off now did not effect a large percentage of the population. I would guess that the absence rates for the religious days off, baring Christmas, were under 10%, probably closer to 5%.
Professional Development days and Teacher Work days should be scheduled at the end of each quarter. Make it a week off then. Parents can take their kids on vacation if they want, the prices would probably be more affordable, and it is enough time off that plenty of camps would spring up for families needing child care. Teachers might like the idea of a quite week at school to get their work done. Oh, and make the professional development days useful. Like actual development and not useless meetings that none of my Teacher friends appreciate.
Remove some of the Federal Holidays from the schedule. There are plenty of places in the country that don’t close for every federal holiday. Use those days as teaching elements. Kids could be in school on Veterans Day, Columbus Day/Indigenous Peoples Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day. Or use them as PD day or TW days but it would be better not to have them off.
We have a schedule that is massively disrupted and disjointed. Stop the madness. Find a way to get in 5 day long weeks. Stop trying to cater to every special interest group.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
IOW, “I got mine. Screw everybody else.”
And don’t try to claim you don’t celebrate Christmas because it’s an anonymous message board. Nope. Sorry.
Sure I celebrate Christmas. So do a lot of people. In fact, so many that the school system couldn't operate. It's also a federal holiday.
Now, why don't you provide any evidence that says the same for any Jewish or Muslim holiday in Fairfax County? Here's a hint: There is none.
This. It's such a ridiculous argument. When 80% of the country is off during this time, it's a pretty good reason to give school holidays. If less than 5% are off, it makes no sense to shut down. Diwali? Eid? RH, YK? Please. It's unnecessary.
Oh well. You’ll survive.
BUT WHY DO WE NEED OFF THE ENTIRE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS? Totally unnecessary. One week is fine.
Ah but then all the families that want to travel to Europe and Asia over the winter break would be inconvenienced and we can’t have that. The calendar is centered around connivence not what is best for the students. If we actually aimed for a schedule that worked best for the kids, we would prioritize 5 day school weeks and breaks that make sense, like after the end of a quarter. Instead the calendar needs to meet niche group X travel needs and y groups religious needs and z groups cultural needs and every federal holiday and squeeze in professional development and teacher work days.
Christmas is part of winter break because it is a federal holiday. It is a federal holiday because the vast majority of the federal work force takes vacation during that time. It is also the reason why there are industries that simply shut down for the week between Christmas and New Years. A large percentage of the population takes that time off. Yes, it is because of Christmas but that doesn’t change the fact that the number of people taking time off is enough to shut down the government and businesses. No other religious holiday in the US, to include Easter, comes even close to number of people taking vacation. The religious holidays that are days off now did not effect a large percentage of the population. I would guess that the absence rates for the religious days off, baring Christmas, were under 10%, probably closer to 5%.
Professional Development days and Teacher Work days should be scheduled at the end of each quarter. Make it a week off then. Parents can take their kids on vacation if they want, the prices would probably be more affordable, and it is enough time off that plenty of camps would spring up for families needing child care. Teachers might like the idea of a quite week at school to get their work done. Oh, and make the professional development days useful. Like actual development and not useless meetings that none of my Teacher friends appreciate.
Remove some of the Federal Holidays from the schedule. There are plenty of places in the country that don’t close for every federal holiday. Use those days as teaching elements. Kids could be in school on Veterans Day, Columbus Day/Indigenous Peoples Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day. Or use them as PD day or TW days but it would be better not to have them off.
We have a schedule that is massively disrupted and disjointed. Stop the madness. Find a way to get in 5 day long weeks. Stop trying to cater to every special interest group.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
IOW, “I got mine. Screw everybody else.”
And don’t try to claim you don’t celebrate Christmas because it’s an anonymous message board. Nope. Sorry.
Sure I celebrate Christmas. So do a lot of people. In fact, so many that the school system couldn't operate. It's also a federal holiday.
Now, why don't you provide any evidence that says the same for any Jewish or Muslim holiday in Fairfax County? Here's a hint: There is none.
This. It's such a ridiculous argument. When 80% of the country is off during this time, it's a pretty good reason to give school holidays. If less than 5% are off, it makes no sense to shut down. Diwali? Eid? RH, YK? Please. It's unnecessary.
Oh well. You’ll survive.
BUT WHY DO WE NEED OFF THE ENTIRE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS? Totally unnecessary. One week is fine.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
I agree with this, but the reason they tie it to Easter is to match up with surrounding counties which also tie to Easter. The teachers overwhelmingly wanted this because a lot teach in one district but have children in a different district. So if FCPS, Loudon, Arlington, ACPS all broke from Easter I think it would be supported. But I'm guessing we don't all end 3rd quarter at the same time.
My spouse is actually a teacher (career switcher) - and I said - you have to teach in FCPS so you have the same school calendar as our kids. So those people can cry me a river, LOL.
“Those people” represent about 40% of the teaching staff.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
I agree with this, but the reason they tie it to Easter is to match up with surrounding counties which also tie to Easter. The teachers overwhelmingly wanted this because a lot teach in one district but have children in a different district. So if FCPS, Loudon, Arlington, ACPS all broke from Easter I think it would be supported. But I'm guessing we don't all end 3rd quarter at the same time.
My spouse is actually a teacher (career switcher) - and I said - you have to teach in FCPS so you have the same school calendar as our kids. So those people can cry me a river, LOL.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
I agree with this, but the reason they tie it to Easter is to match up with surrounding counties which also tie to Easter. The teachers overwhelmingly wanted this because a lot teach in one district but have children in a different district. So if FCPS, Loudon, Arlington, ACPS all broke from Easter I think it would be supported. But I'm guessing we don't all end 3rd quarter at the same time.
My spouse is actually a teacher (career switcher) - and I said - you have to teach in FCPS so you have the same school calendar as our kids. So those people can cry me a river, LOL.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
I agree with this, but the reason they tie it to Easter is to match up with surrounding counties which also tie to Easter. The teachers overwhelmingly wanted this because a lot teach in one district but have children in a different district. So if FCPS, Loudon, Arlington, ACPS all broke from Easter I think it would be supported. But I'm guessing we don't all end 3rd quarter at the same time.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.
Same. Spring break should be tied to quarter end, PERIOD.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m loving the simplicity of National Presbyterian’s calendar! Wow!
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1672929300/nps/p4j14aia0vs3orqcmpu5/2023-2024NPSMajorDatesCalendar.pdf
It’s a lot easier when you are a religious school and don’t have to accommodate more than one religion’s holidays.
The public school shouldn't be accommodating any religious holidays. And before someone drags up Christmas, it's far more than than a religious holiday in the US.
So you think we should accommodate only Christian religious holidays?
DP. I don’t think they should accommodate any religious holidays. I don’t care if they want to have school on Christmas, but the fact is that most other businesses take the day off (and it happens to be a federal holiday) so it will be hard to get anyone to come in on that day.
I'll just note for the crowd that Christmas isn't even a school holiday. Winter Break covers that week, but Christmas itself isn't celebrated.
The Jewish and Muslim holidays are explicitly religious holidays and should not be celebrated by the public school.
I'm fine with chalking up Xmas / Winter break for that reason but I think they should get rid of all religious holidays and stop pegging spring break to easter.
I grew up in the Bible Belt. Our spring holiday was not tied to Easter.