The basic problem is that DC decided to tolerate more deviancy, disorder and yes, crime in the name of equity, diversity, and being “welcoming to all” - including those who commit crime and can’t control their public behavior. And the bar keeps being lowered.

A “little too rowdy”?! I’ve seen situations involving Jackson-Reed-Wilson students that are downright threatening. Let’s acknowledge the problem and deal with the offenders.

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that Tenley will fall even further. As bad as it is - it will get worse. The Wilson students and the aggressive homeless everywhere will further decrease foot traffic, which in turn will eliminate any business from wanting to invest in operations there. The Target smells like urine and the library is strewn with garbage and randoms hanging out - eyeballing everyone who enters.
But as a plus - DC has very important street graffiti which gave Bowser her 10 seconds of national fame. She is responsible for the city’s decline.

What are you talking about? I'm in both Target & the library with my kids a couple if times a week and neither of your allegations are at all true.

There are some Jackson-Reed students who get a little too rowdy in the afternoons but I've never had any issues with aggressive homeless folks either.

Betting you are an insecure private school parent who drives thru the neighborhood going to & from your kids school who never sets foot on the street.

The sad thing is that Tenley will fall even further. As bad as it is - it will get worse. The Wilson students and the aggressive homeless everywhere will further decrease foot traffic, which in turn will eliminate any business from wanting to invest in operations there. The Target smells like urine and the library is strewn with garbage and randoms hanging out - eyeballing everyone who enters.
But as a plus - DC has very important street graffiti which gave Bowser her 10 seconds of national fame. She is responsible for the city’s decline.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


They should have converted DC General homeless shelter into a secured mental hospital instead of panic closing it after the Relisha Rudd system failure/tragedy...rehabbed and secured. Who owns the land now... Did Bowser sell it for a song to developers?


Yes, she did.

Redeveloping the DC General real estate was the primary driver for Bowser to push building homeless shelters in each ward. That, and to spread the challenge around for “equity.”

And let's not forget the sweetheart ground leases that were done with respect to the homeless shelters which were located on privately owned land . . . .

Agree that DC General should have been made a secure mental hospital. Had unsettling experience today at noon in the block at Van Ness/Wisconsin where the Psychiatric Institute is. Woman at bus stop ranting loudly, angrily and continuously. The level of violence by the mentally ill in the city has risen so much that now I cross the street from people behaving like that because I am worried about getting shoved into traffic.

Was she an elderly white with a big metal shopping cart, possibly with a bright red bag among her possessions ? If so she is well known to the neighborhood and Friendship Place outreach and is having an "episode" - you need to call it in to 311, Frumins office, and 911 if you feel immediately threatened. If it's the same lady she has actually been chasing after and trying to hit people and says really scary and insulting things . They need to hear about her from EVERYONE so they actually intervene. Even if it's not the same lady, please call in someone having a psychotic break to 311. Please let me know if you need any numbers of the above to contact. It's not to late to report this experience.

Agree, this cannot stand..anyone could be shoved or hit including the MANY children trying to get to school safely on this thoroughfare.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


They should have converted DC General homeless shelter into a secured mental hospital instead of panic closing it after the Relisha Rudd system failure/tragedy...rehabbed and secured. Who owns the land now... Did Bowser sell it for a song to developers?


Yes, she did.

Redeveloping the DC General real estate was the primary driver for Bowser to push building homeless shelters in each ward. That, and to spread the challenge around for “equity.”

And let's not forget the sweetheart ground leases that were done with respect to the homeless shelters which were located on privately owned land . . . .

Agree that DC General should have been made a secure mental hospital. Had unsettling experience today at noon in the block at Van Ness/Wisconsin where the Psychiatric Institute is. Woman at bus stop ranting loudly, angrily and continuously. The level of violence by the mentally ill in the city has risen so much that now I cross the street from people behaving like that because I am worried about getting shoved into traffic.

Fear of a life altering violent attack is not baseless. The mentally ill Landon grad who attacked the elderly couple outside the Cathedral Commons Giant was just sentenced. The woman suffered brain injuries and has never regained her ability to walk or speak. In a prior attack on his own elderly father at his home in Georgetown he broke his hip. Alex has had every intervention - private treatment, St. Es, a halfway house, DC Jail, supervised release, and he has continued to violently attack people. We need facilities for the dangerous criminally insane. Alex is still quite young and strong. He is likely to kill someone someday. His father is terrified of him when he is unmedicated.

The sidewalks are cheaper but the price this poor woman paid and that we all risk for ourselves and our kids, is incalculable. I heard a Basis parent was violently attacked by a vagrant right outside the school recently. Nowhere is really safe in publicm day or evening. Current street drugs can worsen or even cause mental issues. The status quo can't stand.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/panhandler-who-attacked-elderly-couple-admits-to-beating-them-with-victims-cane-in-dc/ar-AA1l32ZD

Anonymous wrote:There’s that brand new neighborhood across from Sidwell where the Fannie Mae HQ was. It is always quiet and safe there and there is a private security force. Lots of families enjoying the cafes and the Wegmans. Nice fire pits too for keeping warm. So not all of Tenley has gone downhill.

There was a daytime armed robbery outside the Wegmans on 12/31 (gun). This tweet did not age well.

Anonymous wrote:


They should have converted DC General homeless shelter into a secured mental hospital instead of panic closing it after the Relisha Rudd system failure/tragedy...rehabbed and secured. Who owns the land now... Did Bowser sell it for a song to developers?


Yes, she did.

Redeveloping the DC General real estate was the primary driver for Bowser to push building homeless shelters in each ward. That, and to spread the challenge around for “equity.”

And let's not forget the sweetheart ground leases that were done with respect to the homeless shelters which were located on privately owned land . . . .

Agree that DC General should have been made a secure mental hospital. Had unsettling experience today at noon in the block at Van Ness/Wisconsin where the Psychiatric Institute is. Woman at bus stop ranting loudly, angrily and continuously. The level of violence by the mentally ill in the city has risen so much that now I cross the street from people behaving like that because I am worried about getting shoved into traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:There are far too many known to be violent and possibly mentally ill people roaming the streets, we need to bring back asylums. CA has made it easier to involuntarily commit, DC needs to follow their lead.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2024/01/deeply-disturbing-woman-accused-of-plowing-into-pedestrians-stabbing-teenage-girl-during-string-of-md-attacks/

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/lost-my-wife-forever-man-gets-8-years-for-beating-elderly-couple/3527562/ (this is the mentally ill Landon grad)

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-crime-preschool-teachers-assaulted-attacked-petit-scholars-bloomingdale-daycare-councilmember-zachary-parker-police-man-exposes-himself-toddlers-northwest-neighborhood (due to media attention and pressure from CM Zack Parker, I believe, this guy is still at PIW, right on Wisconsin, dangerous people have been known to walk out, we need something bigger, more secure and more long term, imo)

You get the idea.

They should have converted DC General homeless shelter into a secured mental hospital instead of panic closing it after the Relisha Rudd system failure/tragedy...rehabbed and secured. Who owns the land now... Did Bowser sell it for a song to developers?

Yes, she did.

Redeveloping the DC General real estate was the primary driver for Bowser to push building homeless shelters in each ward. That, and to spread the challenge around for “equity.”

Anonymous wrote:There are far too many known to be violent and possibly mentally ill people roaming the streets, we need to bring back asylums. CA has made it easier to involuntarily commit, DC needs to follow their lead.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2024/01/deeply-disturbing-woman-accused-of-plowing-into-pedestrians-stabbing-teenage-girl-during-string-of-md-attacks/

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/lost-my-wife-forever-man-gets-8-years-for-beating-elderly-couple/3527562/ (this is the mentally ill Landon grad)

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-crime-preschool-teachers-assaulted-attacked-petit-scholars-bloomingdale-daycare-councilmember-zachary-parker-police-man-exposes-himself-toddlers-northwest-neighborhood (due to media attention and pressure from CM Zack Parker, I believe, this guy is still at PIW, right on Wisconsin, dangerous people have been known to walk out, we need something bigger, more secure and more long term, imo)

You get the idea.

They should have converted DC General homeless shelter into a secured mental hospital instead of panic closing it after the Relisha Rudd system failure/tragedy...rehabbed and secured. Who owns the land now... Did Bowser sell it for a song to developers?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget the fact that Ward 3 also “welcomes” PIA on Wisconsin Ave near Van Ness. This piece of our urban vibrant tapestry serves as DC’s privatised psycho facility for violent offenders. It sometimes has a police car that sits outside, after some of the involuntarily committed guests voluntarily checked themselves out. A facility like this should sit inside a fenced and secured perimeter, not on an avenue near several schools and neighborhoods. Most nearby residents probably have no idea.

Doesn't that suggest that there are no issues with the facility? (Which is PIW by the way)

There is a halfway house a couple of blocks away that has been operating for decades without any issues - this is not a neighborhood where people silently suffer (as evidenced by this thread) so I think it is possible you are dramatic rather than accurate?

Please. Horseshit. "Most" nearby residents with eyes and a modicum of critical thinking ability certainly acknowledge an increase in disturbed people loitering along the Wisconsin corridor. Families, the patient's running buddies and patient escorts linger around PIW itself. Patients released from their 2-day holds loiter in the immediate area. Occasionally, a guy will get to leave PIW AMA and now he's our guest.

Does every 20016/20008 resident immediately associate these fine individuals with PIW, vs. the vape shops vs. the pocket parks where the wild-eyed men sleep and hang? No, but you can be sure we know they'e _there_. And they weren't there 7 years ago -- at ALL.

re: the Friendship house ... their "issues" are externalities that impact neighbors up and down 41st st, especially. Bottles of piss, stolen pink tween bikes later seen in the possession of 45 yr old men, etc. Lethal? No, but let's not claim naively that the place doesn't induce any "issues" that affect its neighbors.

Friendship Place is not a halfway house so alas you just proved my point.

Also have never heard any of these complaints about Friendship Place and I know it well because I walk down 41st almost every day on the way from the Metro to my house.

Point to the exact place in my post above where I label Friendship a "halfway house" ?

Right, so no gotcha there. I know it's not a drug rehab residence, duh. It nevertheless creates externalities that are generally in the qualit- of-life domain, with some minor property crime thrown in.

Just because you personally haven't had your child's bike stolen off the porch, only to be seen a week later in the company of an adult man headed to Friendship on 41st ... doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

But to be fair, this sort of stuff is small potatoes compared to the other deterioration I described in my PP.

I can't stand friendship place. Their relationship with the community is broken. They are impossible to reach and create more nuisance than help.

There are far too many known to be violent and possibly mentally ill people roaming the streets, we need to bring back asylums. CA has made it easier to involuntarily commit, DC needs to follow their lead.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2024/01/deeply-disturbing-woman-accused-of-plowing-into-pedestrians-stabbing-teenage-girl-during-string-of-md-attacks/

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/lost-my-wife-forever-man-gets-8-years-for-beating-elderly-couple/3527562/ (this is the mentally ill Landon grad)

https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-crime-preschool-teachers-assaulted-attacked-petit-scholars-bloomingdale-daycare-councilmember-zachary-parker-police-man-exposes-himself-toddlers-northwest-neighborhood (due to media attention and pressure from CM Zack Parker, I believe, this guy is still at PIW, right on Wisconsin, dangerous people have been known to walk out, we need something bigger, more secure and more long term, imo)

You get the idea.

CVS will be closing the pharmacy in the Target at 4500 Wisconsin.

I still remember when that store opened and it was a NICE shopping experience. Didn't last long.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget the fact that Ward 3 also “welcomes” PIA on Wisconsin Ave near Van Ness. This piece of our urban vibrant tapestry serves as DC’s privatised psycho facility for violent offenders. It sometimes has a police car that sits outside, after some of the involuntarily committed guests voluntarily checked themselves out. A facility like this should sit inside a fenced and secured perimeter, not on an avenue near several schools and neighborhoods. Most nearby residents probably have no idea.

Doesn't that suggest that there are no issues with the facility? (Which is PIW by the way)

There is a halfway house a couple of blocks away that has been operating for decades without any issues - this is not a neighborhood where people silently suffer (as evidenced by this thread) so I think it is possible you are dramatic rather than accurate?

Please. Horseshit. "Most" nearby residents with eyes and a modicum of critical thinking ability certainly acknowledge an increase in disturbed people loitering along the Wisconsin corridor. Families, the patient's running buddies and patient escorts linger around PIW itself. Patients released from their 2-day holds loiter in the immediate area. Occasionally, a guy will get to leave PIW AMA and now he's our guest.

Does every 20016/20008 resident immediately associate these fine individuals with PIW, vs. the vape shops vs. the pocket parks where the wild-eyed men sleep and hang? No, but you can be sure we know they'e _there_. And they weren't there 7 years ago -- at ALL.

re: the Friendship house ... their "issues" are externalities that impact neighbors up and down 41st st, especially. Bottles of piss, stolen pink tween bikes later seen in the possession of 45 yr old men, etc. Lethal? No, but let's not claim naively that the place doesn't induce any "issues" that affect its neighbors.

Friendship Place is not a halfway house so alas you just proved my point.

Also have never heard any of these complaints about Friendship Place and I know it well because I walk down 41st almost every day on the way from the Metro to my house.

Point to the exact place in my post above where I label Friendship a "halfway house" ?

Right, so no gotcha there. I know it's not a drug rehab residence, duh. It nevertheless creates externalities that are generally in the qualit- of-life domain, with some minor property crime thrown in.

Just because you personally haven't had your child's bike stolen off the porch, only to be seen a week later in the company of an adult man headed to Friendship on 41st ... doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

But to be fair, this sort of stuff is small potatoes compared to the other deterioration I described in my PP.

Anonymous wrote:It's the combination of

increased census at Psychiatric Institute of Washington. Mentally ill + indigent patients attract family members who, sometimesNOTalways, are also low-functioning

an increase in the fentanyl-methy mush brained paranoid guys that NPS allows to live in the little triangle pocket parks, screaming and writing furiously about End Times. NPS also looks the other way when these guys set up tents in the bushes adjacent to Deal/JR

sorta Friendship Place (but not really, because their constituency tends to arrive purposefully for meals then leave / they don't loiter)

THREE count 'em THREE "vape" shops on Wisconsin that definitely, for sure only sell paraphernalia. The young males lurking in the overgrown weedy trees 1 block away on Belt Rd. are most definitely not getting high. Nor are they waiting for a connect.

Hundreds of newish neighbors brought to the Wisconsin and Connecticut corridors with Sec. 8 vouchers. They are visited by their friends sometimes.

And before the inevitable race card gets played, two of the cohorts I've described are predominantly white. Another one is super diverse _looking_, and one is majority black.

-- long-time resident who just loves the new Vibrancy.

I've come to expect nonsensical "solutions" and dysfunction from the DC government, but this is National Park Service property. There are also unsanitary encampments along Rock Creek Parkway. Why is NPS so "tolerant" of disorder when they ran things better before. Is the Secretary of Interior pursuing her own Woke agenda that overrides the importance of having safe, clean and well-maintained parks for the general public?