Anonymous wrote:Ivy League DeSantis exposing himself for being an out of touch dunce parroting astroturfed right wing apparatus talking points. They want you focusing on graduate and professional degrees, which can be well into the six-figures, and are often UMC and rich students. But Joe and Jill plan to focus on federal undergraduate student loans, which have a lifetime cap of $30,000 and are taken out exclusively by poor and middle class students. The children of if not actual fast food employees, waitresses, truck drivers, housekeepers, and other blue collar workers take out federal loans for undergrad courses. And most never obtained their degree.

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League DeSantis exposing himself for being an out of touch dunce parroting astroturfed right wing apparatus talking points. They want you focusing on graduate and professional degrees, which can be well into the six-figures, and are often UMC and rich students. But Joe and Jill plan to focus on federal undergraduate student loans, which have a lifetime cap of $30,000 and are taken out exclusively by poor and middle class students. The children of if not actual fast food employees, waitresses, truck drivers, housekeepers, and other blue collar workers take out federal loans for undergrad courses. And most never obtained their degree.

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Anonymous wrote:You can use gov scorecard to look up the median federal loan sums of former students at colleges and universities in the reddest county in your state or common wealth. Folks can try to astroturf fake talking points and fake cynicism, but every low and middle class, family in America, whether on the left or right, is negatively impacted by student loans. Most of my family are Conservative voters and they would love it if their kids, grandkids, young cousins, nieces and nephews got some relief from this debt, which prevents them from a prime car loan, mortgage, marriage, babies, and other phases of adulthood. This will be Joe and Jill Biden's legacy -- they will be heroes to 45 million Americans (or however many million qualify) and their extended families. And again, about half of those 45 million with debt don't even have a degree.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov

Liberty University is the biggest receiver of student loans out there.

It doesn't really matter and Liberty's median debt isn't actually that extreme. The federal loan lifetime borrowing cap for undergraduates is $30k. The avg kid graduating with a bachelor's degree is about $29k. Here's Liberty compared to DMV schools:

Liberty's median debt: $25k
Source: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?232557-Liberty-University

Virginia Tech: $22k

George Mason: $19.7k

Maryland-Baltimore County: $19.5k

Northern Virginia Community College (2-year college where Jill Biden teaches): $11k

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League DeSantis exposing himself for being an out of touch dunce parroting astroturfed right wing apparatus talking points. They want you focusing on graduate and professional degrees, which can be well into the six-figures, and are often UMC and rich students. But Joe and Jill plan to focus on federal undergraduate student loans, which have a lifetime cap of $30,000 and are taken out exclusively by poor and middle class students. The children of if not actual fast food employees, waitresses, truck drivers, housekeepers, and other blue collar workers take out federal loans for undergrad courses. And most never obtained their degree.

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Anonymous wrote:You can use gov scorecard to look up the median federal loan sums of former students at colleges and universities in the reddest county in your state or common wealth. Folks can try to astroturf fake talking points and fake cynicism, but every low and middle class, family in America, whether on the left or right, is negatively impacted by student loans. Most of my family are Conservative voters and they would love it if their kids, grandkids, young cousins, nieces and nephews got some relief from this debt, which prevents them from a prime car loan, mortgage, marriage, babies, and other phases of adulthood. This will be Joe and Jill Biden's legacy -- they will be heroes to 45 million Americans (or however many million qualify) and their extended families. And again, about half of those 45 million with debt don't even have a degree.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov

Liberty University is the biggest receiver of student loans out there.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

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It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

NP. Making people pay their loans takes money out of the economy which will lower (or at least not further increase) the pressures on inflation. Inflation is absolutely not “inconsequential” for most people in this country. Plus, there’s zero chance that Biden could do this and have it be the only time it happens. Every other D president would be under huge pressure to do the same. And then there’s the point that this doesn’t even actually solve anything. We need a lot more personal responsibility in our country, not even less.

I guess my question is whether this is likely to incent an otherwise democrat voter to vote republican. Even if they absolutely do not support it, I think it is unlikely to flip voters. And I also don't think it is likely to turn out voters that would otherwise abstain from voting.

Setting aside whether it is the right thing to do overall, politically it is a winner.

No, it is not. It will make inflation even worse and totally turn off millions of middle class people.
However, it will energize the Republican base. So, there's that. If that is what you mean by a "winner."

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

It is one of many. Consider it the straw the broke the camel's back.
It started with the Afghanistan withdrawal and Biden's promise to bring all Americans home before withdrawing troops. He lied.
It is also the disastrous border and his inability, or unwillingness, to prevent illegal immigration. Add to that the massive amount of spending, the inflation, and his inability to admit that his policies have contributed to rising costs.

This one tells me that he is more eager in kowtowing to the far left voters in this country than the middle class people who are feeling the pain of his policies.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

NP. Making people pay their loans takes money out of the economy which will lower (or at least not further increase) the pressures on inflation. Inflation is absolutely not “inconsequential” for most people in this country. Plus, there’s zero chance that Biden could do this and have it be the only time it happens. Every other D president would be under huge pressure to do the same. And then there’s the point that this doesn’t even actually solve anything. We need a lot more personal responsibility in our country, not even less.

I guess my question is whether this is likely to incent an otherwise democrat voter to vote republican. Even if they absolutely do not support it, I think it is unlikely to flip voters. And I also don't think it is likely to turn out voters that would otherwise abstain from voting.

Setting aside whether it is the right thing to do overall, politically it is a winner.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

NP. Making people pay their loans takes money out of the economy which will lower (or at least not further increase) the pressures on inflation. Inflation is absolutely not “inconsequential” for most people in this country. Plus, there’s zero chance that Biden could do this and have it be the only time it happens. Every other D president would be under huge pressure to do the same. And then there’s the point that this doesn’t even actually solve anything. We need a lot more personal responsibility in our country, not even less.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

NP. Making people pay their loans takes money out of the economy which will lower (or at least not further increase) the pressures on inflation. Inflation is absolutely not “inconsequential” for most people in this country. Plus, there’s zero chance that Biden could do this and have it be the only time it happens. Every other D president would be under huge pressure to do the same. And then there’s the point that this doesn’t even actually solve anything. We need a lot more personal responsibility in our country, not even less.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.

Serious question- is this really your PRIORITY issue when selecting a president? Even if you fervently disagree with this call, is this a determining factor? In the grand scheme of things in politics, from international relations to civil rights to infrastructure, this would be IT for you?

For contect, I actually completely understand (though disagree with) people who vote based on the abortion issue. To them, it is life or death. But this amount of money is a drop in the bucket of federal budget and the impact on anything is minimal. Less than so many expenditures. Seems inconsequential.

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Anonymous wrote:The American public is so bitter if anyone gets anything. Our society has become completely self-absorbed. Everyone is like “me, me, me, me!!”

I don’t stand to gain loan forgiveness and have paid off a loan and a grant already. But I am ok with others receiving help.

Polling proves the majority of the public is for some loan forgiveness. Right wing astroturfing is not real life.

+100000000

It might be popular with young people, but I don't think it will be overall. This could be very short sighted from a political perspective.

Myself and all of my friends who have children burdened with student loan debt are hoping and praying for some loan forgiveness. We chose colleges based on merit aid and scholarships and they still graduated with debt. My child is a teacher who drives an old car and can barely afford rent in the DMV.

My daughter has debt as well. She has a plan for paying it off. And, is actively doing so despite the pause on payments.
If Biden pulls this vote-buying stunt, I will do everything I can to make sure Republicans take over the House and Senate in November and actively work to make Biden a one-term president. And, work to make sure another Democrat doesn't take his place. They cannot be trusted.

I also look forward to the law suits filed against Biden since I don't believe he has the authority to do this without a bill from Congress.