Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:13     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why stop at G/T? How about sports? If your son gets cut from the basketball team, demand a 2nd tryout! Heck, why don't we let everyone into the G/T program?

Reading about all these tips/tricks to get someone into the G/T program who was initially rejected - it's nauseating.


what's worse is they have to pay $450 for an IQ test. Only some affluent people can do that. Seems kinda unfair.


On the other hand, unfairness is when a gifted kid got rejected due to subjective GBRS and ended up paying extra $450 to prove it.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:13     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
The county has an appeal process because they know that some lunatic parent is going to sue them without an appeal process. Think about all the Type A parents in McLean who can't stand the reality that their child isn't "gifted".

Instead, you have this bloated system that leads to more overcrowding and reduces the bandwidth of the teachers.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:12     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To eliminated controversies, they should striclty go with test scores.

First round - NNAT/CogAt, Provide two different test dates to accommodate unfortunate bad day, increase cut-off score to select surely gifted.

Secon round - Boaderline kids who got rejected appeal with WISC if choose to.



test scores alone prove little. Ever work with "smart" but underachieving people? I thought they were looking for students who are motivated to excell academically.


Then report card should be the primary measure.
Some kids get mostly Os but still low GBRS by teacher.
That's why the controversies.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:11     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Why stop at G/T? How about sports? If your son gets cut from the basketball team, demand a 2nd tryout! Heck, why don't we let everyone into the G/T program?

Reading about all these tips/tricks to get someone into the G/T program who was initially rejected - it's nauseating.


what's worse is they have to pay $450 for an IQ test. Only some affluent people can do that. Seems kinda unfair.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:10     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Why stop at G/T? How about sports? If your son gets cut from the basketball team, demand a 2nd tryout! Heck, why don't we let everyone into the G/T program?

Reading about all these tips/tricks to get someone into the G/T program who was initially rejected - it's nauseating.


Again appealing is part of the process by the County.
It is built in by design in the first place for reasons. You need to understand this first.

I think the kids got in with appeal are more likely to be proved gifted because they are proved with WISC score. I definitely trust WISC more than GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:09     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's say if you don't get a job in very first interview, what do you do? You don't try next time?



After talking to many many parents in my community/school I found out that a lot kids who get in on appeal are thriving at the center (some more so than the kids who got in the 1st go around) and about 20% of the kids who got in by the normal process were actually pulled back to our base school because they were not thriving and not keeping up so the parents pulled them out. I do not believe that it should be a one and done deal and that is why there is an appeal process.


^ this person just makes up statistics right and left.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:08     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:To eliminated controversies, they should striclty go with test scores.

First round - NNAT/CogAt, Provide two different test dates to accommodate unfortunate bad day, increase cut-off score to select surely gifted.

Secon round - Boaderline kids who got rejected appeal with WISC if choose to.



test scores alone prove little. Ever work with "smart" but underachieving people? I thought they were looking for students who are motivated to excell academically.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:04     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Let's say if you don't get a job in very first interview, what do you do? You don't try next time?



After talking to many many parents in my community/school I found out that a lot kids who get in on appeal are thriving at the center (some more so than the kids who got in the 1st go around) and about 20% of the kids who got in by the normal process were actually pulled back to our base school because they were not thriving and not keeping up so the parents pulled them out. I do not believe that it should be a one and done deal and that is why there is an appeal process.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:03     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Why stop at G/T? How about sports? If your son gets cut from the basketball team, demand a 2nd tryout! Heck, why don't we let everyone into the G/T program?

Reading about all these tips/tricks to get someone into the G/T program who was initially rejected - it's nauseating.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:02     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Class size is determined by limits set by the county. The county has a maximum of 31 students per class. So, at Louise Archer, for example, the 3rd grade AAP increased from 89 last year to about 100 this year. So, they increased from 3 AAP classes to 4, and the class size is about 25.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 12:01     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
To eliminated controversies, they should striclty go with test scores.

First round - NNAT/CogAt, Provide two different test dates to accommodate unfortunate bad day, increase cut-off score to select surely gifted.

Secon round - Boaderline kids who got rejected appeal with WISC if choose to.

Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 11:59     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In order to satisfy your own ego, you are wasting the county's valuable time and resources. Your child is going to do just fine if he and she studies hard and puts forth great effort. Instead, you want to brag with ladies at your book club that your child is in G/T. What life lessons are you teaching. When he or she gets rejected from certain colleges, are you going to stomp your feet and appeal that, too?


County made appealing part of the process. If they didn't, the first round could've been very different in evaluation. You don't need to care much about other kids here. Take good care of yours.



right. I understand that half the kids in AAP got in on appeal. Having been in the classroom a couple of times, I can tell ya a whole lot of them obviously received the "benefit of the doubt." That's why we have 30-31 in the class instead of 24 or 25.


Class size is up the the admin of the building and the center and is determined by the admin team of the school. Classroom cap size is 32 for elementary especially in a center where kids are not as needy. I am not sure where there are 30-31 in an AAP center but our center school only has maybe 21-24 in each grade level of 2 classes per grade from 3rd-6th. It is also my understanding that kids are just not admitted automatically because they send an appeal and there does have to be space available at the center which also determines the acceptance for appeals. It is by no means parents who appeal fault that AAP classrooms are hitting 30-31 kids since class size is a school based decision.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 11:59     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Let's say if you don't get a job in very first interview, what do you do? You don't try next time?
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 11:57     Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

right. I understand that half the kids in AAP got in on appeal. Having been in the classroom a couple of times, I can tell ya a whole lot of them obviously received the "benefit of the doubt." That's why we have 30-31 in the class instead of 24 or 25.



Factually incorrect. Half of the appeals are admitted. But less than 15% all applications are appealed. So less than 10% get in on appeal.

Anonymous
Post 06/02/2011 11:57     Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Every kid is gifted in one way or the other. Some can be observed by teacher and some showed their results in testing. And some shows may be some other time. Thats why this process is renamed to AAP. Who ever wants to get AAP education needs to be selected.