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Anonymous wrote:Convince me that throwing trillions to hire more federal bureaucrats will fix ANYTHING.

All you get is more layers of mgmt, more decision makers in DC to lord and rule over people. The government becomes less agile with more people weighing in on every aspect of our lives.

"Human Infrastructure " is a ruse to hire more administrators and paper pushers to no good end. Leave us alone fed.gov

Yes, a federal government that is unable to get containers off ships, unable to secure our border, unwilling to produce enough gas for our country........

And, they want the American people to trust them with a $3.5 Trillion boondoggle that, according to Biden, costs nothing.

Sure. Sure.

Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

Anonymous wrote:Convince me that throwing trillions to hire more federal bureaucrats will fix ANYTHING.

All you get is more layers of mgmt, more decision makers in DC to lord and rule over people. The government becomes less agile with more people weighing in on every aspect of our lives.

"Human Infrastructure " is a ruse to hire more administrators and paper pushers to no good end. Leave us alone fed.gov

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

But it cost money for people to work. If you look at cities that had universal income programs, you find that people actually worked more because it bridged their ability to go from not working to working.

Geez. How have we gotten by all these years?

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

But it cost money for people to work. If you look at cities that had universal income programs, you find that people actually worked more because it bridged their ability to go from not working to working.

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Manchin crossover to the GOP?

He said today absolutely not.

Yeah. David Corn started that rumor.
If he were to ever change parties, he would just do it. Not announce it to some left-wing reporter.

If Manchin switches to Republican he just becomes another number and loses his power and ability to hold Dems hostage.

That said he's kind of a failure anyhow. He promised to deliver 10 Republican yes votes on the Voter Rights bill. Not a single Republican voted yes. Manchin only has his own obstruction as his power.

Manchin switches to GOP, he loses the chair of ENR Committee. There’s 10+ GOP senators from fossil fuel states who would get priority over him for the seat. He’s at the bottom of the totem pole in the GOP. He’s nothing if he goes independent.

He will switch to Independent and caucus with whichever party let’s him keep the most power which certainly would include that Committee.

He’s not switching anything and if he did you should be terrified as Democrats automatically lose the majority and the ability to appoint federal judges.

I guess there are a lot of things that I could classify as terrifying, but an opposing party appointing federal judges doesn’t quite make that list.

Then you weren't watching the judges appointed by Trump and pushed through like a factory processing plant by McConnell for four years.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Manchin crossover to the GOP?

He said today absolutely not.

Yeah. David Corn started that rumor.
If he were to ever change parties, he would just do it. Not announce it to some left-wing reporter.

If Manchin switches to Republican he just becomes another number and loses his power and ability to hold Dems hostage.

That said he's kind of a failure anyhow. He promised to deliver 10 Republican yes votes on the Voter Rights bill. Not a single Republican voted yes. Manchin only has his own obstruction as his power.

Manchin switches to GOP, he loses the chair of ENR Committee. There’s 10+ GOP senators from fossil fuel states who would get priority over him for the seat. He’s at the bottom of the totem pole in the GOP. He’s nothing if he goes independent.

He will switch to Independent and caucus with whichever party let’s him keep the most power which certainly would include that Committee.

He’s not switching anything and if he did you should be terrified as Democrats automatically lose the majority and the ability to appoint federal judges.

I guess there are a lot of things that I could classify as terrifying, but an opposing party appointing federal judges doesn’t quite make that list.

Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?