Anonymous
11/04/2021 18:12
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
*cough* The House is in recess from the 6th - 14th. Progressives are such idiots. Push everything back to the most heavy off-season the Congress has.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 18:05
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous
11/04/2021 17:15
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point they should just kill both bills. There is no reason to pass infrastructure. It’s just a give away to the red states. Let each state pay for their own infrastructure.
+1
The infrastructure bill is 100% deficit spending and is mostly a giveaway to red states.
I'm cool with that. - a moderate
Anonymous
11/04/2021 17:14
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:At this point they should just kill both bills. There is no reason to pass infrastructure. It’s just a give away to the red states. Let each state pay for their own infrastructure.
+1
The infrastructure bill is 100% deficit spending and is mostly a giveaway to red states.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 16:04
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?Well that's news to me. Is that all five bills or just BBB+BIF?
Federal shutdown is on December 3rd. They already punted it once. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-government-shutdown.html
Federal shutdown + Debt ceiling + Highway by December 3rd.
The GOP is going to help out on none of these. Basically the Dem leaders are asking vulnerable house dems to vote for the social spending AND debt ceiling increase unilaterally. It’s like they are asking for political suicide.
Incredible.
Something that isn't clear to me - the debt ceiling. That has to be done through budget reconciliation right? Are they legally allowed to put all this stuff - the BBB and the Debt Ceiling under one reconciliation package? And its only one reconciliation a year right -- which means if they don't get it done this December it has to wait til next December?
They can combine the BBB and the debt ceiling in one recon bill. And no the Dems can theoretically do the recon process more than once a year.
But its never been done before? They passed three Acts via Reconciliation in the 2010s and they seem to be going for broke in the 2020s as the ARPA was a reconciliation vote.
Interesting that no one brings up that Biden really used a lot of his firepower just 3 months into office.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 15:49
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?
Federal shutdown is on December 3rd. They already punted it once. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-government-shutdown.html
Federal shutdown + Debt ceiling + Highway by December 3rd.
The GOP is going to help out on none of these. Basically the Dem leaders are asking vulnerable house dems to vote for the social spending AND debt ceiling increase unilaterally. It’s like they are asking for political suicide.
Incredible.
Something that isn't clear to me - the debt ceiling. That has to be done through budget reconciliation right? Are they legally allowed to put all this stuff - the BBB and the Debt Ceiling under one reconciliation package? And its only one reconciliation a year right -- which means if they don't get it done this December it has to wait til next December?
They can combine the BBB and the debt ceiling in one recon bill. And no the Dems can theoretically do the recon process more than once a year.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 15:19
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?
Federal shutdown is on December 3rd. They already punted it once. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-government-shutdown.html
Federal shutdown + Debt ceiling + Highway by December 3rd.
The GOP is going to help out on none of these. Basically the Dem leaders are asking vulnerable house dems to vote for the social spending AND debt ceiling increase unilaterally. It’s like they are asking for political suicide.
Incredible.
Something that isn't clear to me - the debt ceiling. That has to be done through budget reconciliation right? Are they legally allowed to put all this stuff - the BBB and the Debt Ceiling under one reconciliation package? And its only one reconciliation a year right -- which means if they don't get it done this December it has to wait til next December?
Anonymous
11/04/2021 15:10
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?
Federal shutdown is on December 3rd. They already punted it once. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-government-shutdown.html
Federal shutdown + Debt ceiling + Highway by December 3rd.
The GOP is going to help out on none of these. Basically the Dem leaders are asking vulnerable house dems to vote for the social spending AND debt ceiling increase unilaterally. It’s like they are asking for political suicide.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 14:35
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
At this point they should just kill both bills. There is no reason to pass infrastructure. It’s just a give away to the red states. Let each state pay for their own infrastructure.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 14:24
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this whole $hitshow isn't a prime example of why all kinds of disparate items should not be lumped into one gigantic omnibus bill, I don't know what is.
I can’t remember what the number is but the House can’t afford to lose more than 3 or 4 votes or the bill won’t even pass their chamber. That drugs letter had 7 Congressional signatures by itself.
Thirteen
Fifteen signatures. They can only afford to lose 3 votes.
Anonymous
11/04/2021 12:29
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?
Federal shutdown is on December 3rd. They already punted it once. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-government-shutdown.html
Anonymous
11/04/2021 12:16
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I am wondering what would happen if Youngkin wins next Tuesday. More pressure on the paasage of infrastructure bill or no impact?
Well it should have been passed on Thursday when Biden was in the air. Pelosi and Biden both met directly with the progressives and begged them to let the infrastructure vote through. Nothing.
When Youngkin wins on Tuesday - they can look sad and shocked all they want. Youngkin passed McAuliffe the day after Congress's crap.
Dem voter turnout is down in no small part because the Biden administration has done nothing for us to be excited about!
Inflation at 30 year high. Bungling our own signature infrastructure/social spending bill(s). Gas is insanely high. A supply chain logjam. Their answer to all these problems is that its "transitory." Which is code for, "it'll work itself out."
Sen Mark Warner of VA is pissed and rightfully so
I hope Jayapal got reamed out by the Executive and the Legislature
Anonymous
11/04/2021 11:43
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This bill is different from the actual budget bill correct?
Yes. Dumb progressives shuttled out the Federal Shutdown, the Debt Ceiling, Highway Legislation, Infrastructure, and the Social Welfare bill out to December.
All of this has to be taken care of in *checks watch* 7 weeks.
How did you get 7 weeks? The deadline is December 3. We have freaking four weeks. Pelosi keeps saying the vote will happen anytime soon because as day passes, it gets harder and harder to pass that social spending bill.
December 3rd?
Well that's news to me. Is that all five bills or just BBB+BIF?