How ironic. Even the $60,000 reward offer might get denied!

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/who-gets-the-60k-reward-in-search-for-unitedhealthcare-ceos-killer/

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Brian Thompson was about to be put under oath. Who else was he going to expose for engaged in insider trading?

Sounds like a definite motive.

Does than tin hat still work in all this rain today?

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive. Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

As long as there are nutjobs out there accolading murderers and speculating that they must have murdered because XYZ, you're not going to get anywhere. Stop digging in to nonsense and maybe you will. But that's not taught at UPenn anymore (civil discourse, debates, empathy, etc. ). Just my way or the highway. Boom.

This 100%. Plus all the expenses for the kids who have issues due to stressful childhoods and unreasonably societal expectations.

“People except too much. Sorry, but they do. As a population we are over treated and over medicated. It’s not sustainable. I’m 40 and I honestly can’t think of a single female friend that isn’t on an SSRI, anti anxiety, or stimulant med. 75% of the population had eaten their way into diabetes, being overweight or obesity. Now we need an expensive drug to fix it because no one wants to eat less. Women want to wait to have kids into their mid 30s and 40s use IVF. People used to have kids in their 20s or just accept kids weren’t in the cards if it didn’t happen naturally. Not anymore. I don’t think our problem is healthcare, it’s our expectations. People want to live until 100 and have every single aliment and discomfort alleviated. Getting sick and dying is part of life. Curing and fixing everything on everyone, every time, at all ages (or using up tons of resources trying) is not sustainable..”

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

Became malleable how? The things he says about the insurance industry are widely shared and not part of any indoctrination and are not particularly radical.

Now, the murderous part is.

Ahhh, so he was half indoctrinated, half not. Got it. Good job explaing how the indoctrinated pick and choose and think about binary outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

Became malleable how? The things he says about the insurance industry are widely shared and not part of any indoctrination and are not particularly radical.

Now, the murderous part is.

https://x.com/tomselliott/status/1866213151014052208

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

I think it was in the Bay Area where he was living for his job with True Car as a data analyst. I'm guessing he went on his employers insurance for that time anyway? I guess its possible he kept his parents insurance even if he had access to work insurance. It seems like it all went sideways when he left True Car and the Bay Area, sold the house, and moved to Hawaii to live in a surfing commune.

Go U of Pennsylvania!

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/socialist-upenn-professor-hides-social-media-after-celebratory-post-about-ceo-murder-suspect-goes-viral/

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

DP. Two points:

1. It's not whether *I* think it's medically necessary. It's whether my medical team thinks it's necessary, with appropriate documentation and review.

2. Insurance is risk management. If the insurer can just decide not to pay, you are proposing a model in which the insurer has no risk whatsoever. That's ludicrous.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

Became malleable how? The things he says about the insurance industry are widely shared and not part of any indoctrination and are not particularly radical.

Now, the murderous part is.

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

more leftist speculation.

lame.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Also upset about how his family was part of the system that killed so many people.

more leftist speculation.

lame.

Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone the target?!

great question