Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 20:06     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why was the pilot’s name ever kept secret, beyond notifying next of kin?


It wasn't. The name was released within days. Shame on the media for creating false speculation.


It was released well after next of kin knew and they actually told/asked govt not to release it when they released the names of the others, they needed more time. Likely to scrub her internet presence so they could control her legacy and the narration as they wanted it
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 20:03     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-hawk-pilot-failed-heed-flight-instructor-moments-before-plane-collision-over-dc-report

According to this article, the co-pilot is heard telling her 15 sec before the crash that air traffic control wants them to turn left toward the east river bank- and the pilot ignored these instructions
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 19:49     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”
It really wasn't far more complex. There were other factors but it still came down to poor navigation and not following instructions on the part of the Blackhawk pilot. It wasn't a control tower issue or lack of onboard equipment. Those routes and altitude restrictions are well established, charted, and those pilots knew them regardless of any clearance they were given. They simply didn't follow them.


THE pilot, you mean. The pilot who was given instruction by ATC and the co-pilot but who did not respond re: course or altitude and who flew right into a jetliner.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 19:35     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”
It really wasn't far more complex. There were other factors but it still came down to poor navigation and not following instructions on the part of the Blackhawk pilot. It wasn't a control tower issue or lack of onboard equipment. Those routes and altitude restrictions are well established, charted, and those pilots knew them regardless of any clearance they were given. They simply didn't follow them.


It sounds from the article that the air traffic controller bears some responsibility along with some problems with the system. If the air traffic controller reacted a little more quickly, could either plane reversed course? Maybe yes, maybe no.

Air traffic controllers are overworked and understaffed. The Trump administration will only worsen the problem.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 19:08     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”
It really wasn't far more complex. There were other factors but it still came down to poor navigation and not following instructions on the part of the Blackhawk pilot. It wasn't a control tower issue or lack of onboard equipment. Those routes and altitude restrictions are well established, charted, and those pilots knew them regardless of any clearance they were given. They simply didn't follow them.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 18:52     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Black Hawk pilot.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 17:20     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”


I read the entire article this morning. While it does mention contributing factors that might have saved this particular plane, it still basically lays it all at the feet of the Black Hawk.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 08:43     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”


Read "How Complex Systems Fail"
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 08:41     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
“ But one error did not cause the worst domestic crash in the United States in nearly a quarter-century. Modern aviation is designed to have redundancies and safeguards that prevent a misstep, or even several missteps, from being catastrophic. On Jan. 29, that system collapsed, a New York Times investigation found.

Up to now, attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed it directly in the jet’s landing path. But The Times uncovered new details showing that the failures were far more complex than previously understood.”
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2025 08:29     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
NYT published a comprehensive investigation

Gift link
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/business/dc-plane-crash-reagan-airport.html?unlocked_article_code=1.C08.zcGf.FlXQCMGl1tqt&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2025 16:53     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Another helicopter has just crashed into the Hudson
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2025 16:42     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Did you not see the news this afternoon of the two planes clipping each other at DCA?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plane-5-house-members-clipped-aircraft-taxiway-dcs-reagan-national-air-rcna200692
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2025 16:39     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is a really good discussion on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJmvyEEIkEM

Former Army Pilot Provides Inside Information On DCA Potomac River Crash


Great video. Guy was stationed at the unit, knows the flight path and crew involved. Said it was a great crew. Most likely helicopter crew did not hear the runway 333 because the last part of the message was cut off. He flew a lot around DC and never saw a landing at 333. When the ATC asked for a second time helicopter slowed down which would have cause it to gain elevation. Also talks about night view goggles not picking up LED lights.

Any question you can think of is cover.


They should never have been there. The military needs to find a different path to travel.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2025 16:33     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Why was the pilot’s name ever kept secret, beyond notifying next of kin?


It wasn't. The name was released within days. Shame on the media for creating false speculation.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2025 16:01     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Why was the pilot’s name ever kept secret, beyond notifying next of kin?