Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, the Chansley ‘obstruction Congress’ charge is ridiculous, considering that during the Kavanaugh hearings, there were masses of leftists trying to break into the chamber doors and screaming for his head. There was also a group of leftists who broke into Grassley’s office and rifled through his things, etc. They were not treated with the same heavy judicial hand (and I’m being kind here) as the 1/6ers.

You are comparing breaking into the US Capitol vs some office in Iowa?

I swear, my brain hurts reading these posts from MAGA-heads. You people are so divorced from reality - so divorced from normal society.

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Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, the Chansley ‘obstruction Congress’ charge is ridiculous, considering that during the Kavanaugh hearings, there were masses of leftists trying to break into the chamber doors and screaming for his head. There was also a group of leftists who broke into Grassley’s office and rifled through his things, etc. They were not treated with the same heavy judicial hand (and I’m being kind here) as the 1/6ers.

The Chansley conviction was not only for obstruction. He brought a flag on a spear, and left a note threatening the VP. Hundreds were arrested during the Kavanaugh hearings. Are you saying they brought spears, violently broke into the Capitol, and left notes threatening lawmakers, but only got misdemeanor charges?

He walked into the Capitol. He did not break in. Again, the people who went for Kavanaugh and Grassley were violent. Those arrested were not held for over a year - they were released on bond.

He was part of a violent insurrection. He may not have physically broken down the windows or doors, but he did not have permission to be there and that counts as breaking in.

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Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, the Chansley ‘obstruction Congress’ charge is ridiculous, considering that during the Kavanaugh hearings, there were masses of leftists trying to break into the chamber doors and screaming for his head. There was also a group of leftists who broke into Grassley’s office and rifled through his things, etc. They were not treated with the same heavy judicial hand (and I’m being kind here) as the 1/6ers.

The Chansley conviction was not only for obstruction. He brought a flag on a spear, and left a note threatening the VP. Hundreds were arrested during the Kavanaugh hearings. Are you saying they brought spears, violently broke into the Capitol, and left notes threatening lawmakers, but only got misdemeanor charges?

He walked into the Capitol. He did not break in. Again, the people who went for Kavanaugh and Grassley were violent. Those arrested were not held for over a year - they were released on bond.

Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, the Chansley ‘obstruction Congress’ charge is ridiculous, considering that during the Kavanaugh hearings, there were masses of leftists trying to break into the chamber doors and screaming for his head. There was also a group of leftists who broke into Grassley’s office and rifled through his things, etc. They were not treated with the same heavy judicial hand (and I’m being kind here) as the 1/6ers.

The Chansley conviction was not only for obstruction. He brought a flag on a spear, and left a note threatening the VP. Hundreds were arrested during the Kavanaugh hearings. Are you saying they brought spears, violently broke into the Capitol, and left notes threatening lawmakers, but only got misdemeanor charges?

Furthermore, the Chansley ‘obstruction Congress’ charge is ridiculous, considering that during the Kavanaugh hearings, there were masses of leftists trying to break into the chamber doors and screaming for his head. There was also a group of leftists who broke into Grassley’s office and rifled through his things, etc. They were not treated with the same heavy judicial hand (and I’m being kind here) as the 1/6ers.

Anonymous wrote:That doesn’t say they were charged ONLY with misdemeanors, just that misdemeanors were among the charges. The people with ONLY misdemeanors are those who took a plea deal. If anyone is in jail for a year facing ONLY a misdemeanor trespassing charge, that person is a total dumbass to not plead guilty for no time or time served. That person probably doesn’t exist.

The point of that article, is that there are judges that agree there are 1/6ers being held without bond for minor charges. You can continue on your ‘they deserve it, sedition, etc’ path but we will very soon start to see what’s really going on here. My guess is people here will double-down because Trump! Russia! OMG! I am looking at this from a purely practical standpoint - you can’t have guards opening doors and gates and waving people in, then arrest those people for ‘sedition’, etc. I would be saying the same thing if someone invited a black man into their home, then called the police and had him arrested for trespassing and breaking and entering. Every person being held on 1/6 was not involved in violence of any kind - they were just the most identifiable on whatever video some wonk decided to look at.

That doesn’t say they were charged ONLY with misdemeanors, just that misdemeanors were among the charges. The people with ONLY misdemeanors are those who took a plea deal. If anyone is in jail for a year facing ONLY a misdemeanor trespassing charge, that person is a total dumbass to not plead guilty for no time or time served. That person probably doesn’t exist.

From an article in the Guardian:
“ The charges and sentencing
Although the charges range from misdemeanors such as trespassing to violent assaults against Capitol police officers, the bulk of cases that have come in front of a judge so far have involved individuals pleading guilty to minor charges. Except for some high-profile rioters – including “QAnon shaman” Jacob Chansley, who was sentenced to 41 months in prison after pleading guilty to a felony charge of obstructing Congress – most of the sentences doled out have not exceeded several weeks in prison. Many of the rioters have received no jail time at all, instead receiving fines or probation.

There have been significant differences between how US district court judges have approached sentencing and cases. One group of judges has questioned why prosecutors are seeking jail time for misdemeanor offences such as trespassing on Capitol grounds. US District Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee, made comparisons between Black Lives Matter protesters and the 6 January attackers and told a defendant that he was “acting like all those looters and rioters last year”.(McFadden did, however, later reject a defendant’s claim that he was being treated unfairly compared with leftist protesters in Portland.)”

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

First you need to give specific examples of 1/6ers who are being detained when they only have misdemeanor charges.

Shocked, shocked I say that no one has answered this.

And no one is going to. The hypocrisy of the GOP is once again on display and they seem to think we won’t remember what they’ve said, and they seem to think that we’ll agree that seditionists should be allowed to roam freely.

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

First you need to give specific examples of 1/6ers who are being detained when they only have misdemeanor charges.

Shocked, shocked I say that no one has answered this.

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

California At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it’s been longer than 5 years.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

More than 400,000 people in the U.S. are currently being detained pretrial – in other words, they are awaiting trial and still legally innocent. Many are jailed pretrial simply because they can't afford money bail, others because a probation, parole, or ICE office has placed a "hold" on their release. The number of people in jail pretrial has nearly quadrupled since the 1980s.

According to: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/research/pretrial_detention/

What were they arrested for? Trespassing?

Probably not participating in an insurrection and blocking a U.S. election.

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

California At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it’s been longer than 5 years.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

More than 400,000 people in the U.S. are currently being detained pretrial – in other words, they are awaiting trial and still legally innocent. Many are jailed pretrial simply because they can't afford money bail, others because a probation, parole, or ICE office has placed a "hold" on their release. The number of people in jail pretrial has nearly quadrupled since the 1980s.

According to: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/research/pretrial_detention/

What were they arrested for? Trespassing?

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

California At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it’s been longer than 5 years.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

Can you show me the crimes please? I’m talking about a misdemeanor.

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Anonymous wrote:Please show me three cases of black men kept in jail for over a year with no bail and no parole for committing a misdemeanor. I’ll wait

California At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it’s been longer than 5 years.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

More than 400,000 people in the U.S. are currently being detained pretrial – in other words, they are awaiting trial and still legally innocent. Many are jailed pretrial simply because they can't afford money bail, others because a probation, parole, or ICE office has placed a "hold" on their release. The number of people in jail pretrial has nearly quadrupled since the 1980s.

According to: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/research/pretrial_detention/