Whatever. All the anti-vax folks benefit from the suppression of the virus brought on by vaccines in spite of their fears and whining and negativity like all anti-vaxxers always have and always will.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think retail is likely to require it. Specialists who can turn away customers? Sure. Why should they hassle with antivaxxers when they don't need to?

The market will operate here. It already is.

It is far more of a hassle and just plain awkward to require someone to show proof of a Covid vaccine before an appointment is made or service given

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Anonymous wrote:So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

There will be a market for pro vaccine businesses and a market aimed at those happy to swim in the viral stew. Anyone not expecting both is not paying attention.

I really don’t think there is one, except for a very small number of self employed service providers (like the aforementioned stylist and masseuse)

I don't think retail is likely to require it. Specialists who can turn away customers? Sure. Why should they hassle with antivaxxers when they don't need to?

The market will operate here. It already is.

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Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:

Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!

Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.

Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!

I am a business owner and I will not turn customers away. My staff and I are all vaccinated. The vaccines work and cases are dropping. Unvaccinated people know their status and will carry on however they choose.

Is part of your decision based on how much of a hassle it would be to get proof from every customer?

We're never going to have a national vaccine passport. That puts businesses in a difficult position of having to figure out how to figure out whether a patron is actually vaccinated.

Some states have it - obviously the ones with large pro vax populations like NY.

They should be more careful, seeing how badly they screwed up their covid response last year.

No reason for places with more competent government, like Florida, to do so.

You seem to be deeply confused about the difference between the private market and government.

Or are you proposing that governments should force private businesses to take unvaccinated patrons?

I just enjoy taking digs at New York and its citizens and leaders.

So you do not understand the difference between private enterprise and government, and are therefore just dim. Well, that's consistent with being an anti-vaxxer at least.

Ahem, I take umbrage at the term anti-vaxxer. It is discriminatory and inflammatory. Get it right it's pro immunity/body autonomy.

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Anonymous wrote:So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

There will be a market for pro vaccine businesses and a market aimed at those happy to swim in the viral stew. Anyone not expecting both is not paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

Seems like it. And universities are uniquely able to have such rules, since they can give the students months of time to get vaccinated and provide proof. But, I doubt they'll be requiring proof of vaccination at the campus store or Starbucks.

That's quite different from, say, Safeway or the Nike Store. I doubt either of those companies want to task employees to confirm health records. Especially in light of the fact that there isn't any national system of proof on the horizon.

Considering that retail workers might get punched out for even asking people to wear masks, I doubt they will be able to confirm vaccines. It's one of the reasons I am not going back to my public facing career; I am tired of how stupid the general public act and I have the luxury of peacing out and finding a new job / career.

Not going to college is probably the only penalty the anti-vaxxers will face, and I'm sure that super right wing and fundie universities won't require a covid vaccine anyhow.

Anonymous wrote:So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

There will be a market for pro vaccine businesses and a market aimed at those happy to swim in the viral stew. Anyone not expecting both is not paying attention.

Anonymous wrote:So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

Seems like it. And universities are uniquely able to have such rules, since they can give the students months of time to get vaccinated and provide proof. But, I doubt they'll be requiring proof of vaccination at the campus store or Starbucks.

That's quite different from, say, Safeway or the Nike Store. I doubt either of those companies want to task employees to confirm health records. Especially in light of the fact that there isn't any national system of proof on the horizon.

So according to this thread, the only (sourced, named) places requiring a vaccine are some universities starting next year? This reminds me of when Massachusetts required the flu vaccine for school kids, which they subsequently had to walk back. Time will tell.

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Anonymous wrote:If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.

You heard how mask enforcement went in some places, didn't you? I'm vaccinated, but I would not be comfortable showing my phone and my information to anyone who isn't my healthcare provider. Like, I'm not going to share my business with the sub guy and he probably just wants to make my sub, take my cash and send me on my way. "Carding" everyone will slow down business, for one thing, and it will deter customers like me, for another.

That's fine. Other businesses will take your business. I don't view it as a hassle, especially if there is an app.

I have already decided to switch massage therapists to one who is requiring vaccination. She is so busy with work for the same reason that I have to wait two months.

Massage therapist. That is really entitled during a pandemic. You are why we have the spread.

Oh yeah, does't everyone remember that it first appeared after vacation season from wealthy travelers jaunting about the globe on their cruises and ski trips?

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Anonymous wrote:If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.

You heard how mask enforcement went in some places, didn't you? I'm vaccinated, but I would not be comfortable showing my phone and my information to anyone who isn't my healthcare provider. Like, I'm not going to share my business with the sub guy and he probably just wants to make my sub, take my cash and send me on my way. "Carding" everyone will slow down business, for one thing, and it will deter customers like me, for another.

That's fine. Other businesses will take your business. I don't view it as a hassle, especially if there is an app.

I have already decided to switch massage therapists to one who is requiring vaccination. She is so busy with work for the same reason that I have to wait two months.

Massage therapist. That is really entitled during a pandemic. You are why we have the spread.

She is legally open and following all local health rules, she only allows vaccinated clients, I am fully vaccinated, she is fully vaccinated. Not seeing the issue.

I suppose you are in the subset of antivaxxers who want the world to stay in their basements forever so you don't have FOMO.

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Anonymous wrote:If there was an easy app you could flash, some sort of voluntary centralized record, I would absolutely prioritize businesses that used that.

You heard how mask enforcement went in some places, didn't you? I'm vaccinated, but I would not be comfortable showing my phone and my information to anyone who isn't my healthcare provider. Like, I'm not going to share my business with the sub guy and he probably just wants to make my sub, take my cash and send me on my way. "Carding" everyone will slow down business, for one thing, and it will deter customers like me, for another.

That's fine. Other businesses will take your business. I don't view it as a hassle, especially if there is an app.

I have already decided to switch massage therapists to one who is requiring vaccination. She is so busy with work for the same reason that I have to wait two months.

Massage therapist. That is really entitled during a pandemic. You are why we have the spread.

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Anonymous wrote:The whining anti-vaxxer logic in this thread is quite something:

Anti-vaxxer: Nobody can make me do anything!! My rights!1!1!! It's a free country!!!!! Don't trust the government!!

Private businesses: Okay, we understand. Therefore we are going to require covid-19 vaccination for our customers.

Anti-vaxxer: What?!?! OMG!!! OSHA will save me!!! OSHA make these private businesses do.the thing I want!!!!

No, lawsuits will.

What law is being broken?

I am not a lawyer but by referring to COVID-19 vaccines as “vaccines” rather than gene therapies it could fall under this. Law people feel free to weigh in.

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/statutes/covid-19-consumer-protection-act-2021-consolidated-appropriations-act

Ny families lost 50 thousand souls that had to say their good byes over facetime. Spare yourself. I hope you never have to do it even if it even if it would help you not be such a jack.

Florida did not so hot either Ms. spare me.