Anonymous
Post 06/03/2013 06:59     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:My sense, as a parent, is that it takes an extremely well qualified teacher with the right conditions and lots of support in order to pull off the kind of differentiated instruction required in most DCPS settings.

And in general, academic-wise, I think stronger students benefit from pull-outs/tracking while struggling students benefit from non-tracked classes.


so you don't think ell and special ed students benefit from being pulled out, having iep or 504 plans?

Anonymous
Post 06/02/2013 23:36     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:Just b/c pullout groups are popular w/parents doesn't mean they're the best teaching practice. I'd prefer a principal rely on his/her own expertise versus do whatever keeps the squeaky wheels happy.

IME, I've seen ability grouping work with math (not saying it's necessary, but I'm open to it), but I don't know that it makes much sense with reading. As 7:05 mentioned, it's not too difficult to have kids reading at different levels, assigned different spelling lists, etc. within the same classroom. For that matter, there's nothing stopping advanced readers from tackling more challenging reading at home outside school hours!


Um, best teaching practice in DC is a six-figure PTA, not just to paying for stuff at a neighborhood school, but for extra staff. You definitely aren't going to attract the six-figure PTA without the pullout groups on the Hill, so get em or keep your school populations overwhelmingly poor and AA in predominantly high-SES neighborhoods. Watkins is finally waking up to this reality.


Anonymous
Post 06/02/2013 22:31     Subject: ludlow-taylor

My sense, as a parent, is that it takes an extremely well qualified teacher with the right conditions and lots of support in order to pull off the kind of differentiated instruction required in most DCPS settings.

And in general, academic-wise, I think stronger students benefit from pull-outs/tracking while struggling students benefit from non-tracked classes.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2013 22:18     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Just b/c pullout groups are popular w/parents doesn't mean they're the best teaching practice. I'd prefer a principal rely on his/her own expertise versus do whatever keeps the squeaky wheels happy.

IME, I've seen ability grouping work with math (not saying it's necessary, but I'm open to it), but I don't know that it makes much sense with reading. As 7:05 mentioned, it's not too difficult to have kids reading at different levels, assigned different spelling lists, etc. within the same classroom. For that matter, there's nothing stopping advanced readers from tackling more challenging reading at home outside school hours!
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2013 21:51     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Awesome pullout groups at Watkins this year. Both reading and math are being done by ability grouping. Very popular with parents.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2013 07:05     Subject: Re:ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I think we should listen to the teacher and ignore the slander and ignorant ranting plaguing this blog. Just because someone had a child that went to LT for a couple years does not necessarily mean he or she understands how the school is run. A teacher clearly has much more insight on that.

Also, until you have spoken to someone you cannot call them "white friendly" or "AA friendly" ( I am a terribly horrified that these terms are even in use), and Principal Cobbs is welcoming and dedicated to ALL children so stop putting words in her mouth.


OK, so let's assume that you boosters are right. Principal Cobbs is indeed welcoming to all children. So where are the pullout groups for advanced learners in upper grades Brent offers? She won't even discuss the option with prospective parents.






If the teachers are doing guided reading properly you don't really need pullout groups that leave the room instead you can group by ability and have the advanced kids reading a more challenging book than the lower level kids.

I agree that dcps needs to do more for helping advanced students but the reality is outside of jklmm and maybe brent the majority of students at any school are below basic or basic and they need the priority interventions. Do the jklmm schools also have pullouts for advanced kids?
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2013 23:24     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:Hamilton was consolidated into LT which gave them SN children and self contained classrooms. The teachers and parents of LT signed petitions NOT to have the merger go through. Just a bit of history.



Nice.

Thanks PP, knowing the history makes a huge difference.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2013 22:12     Subject: Re:ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:
I think we should listen to the teacher and ignore the slander and ignorant ranting plaguing this blog. Just because someone had a child that went to LT for a couple years does not necessarily mean he or she understands how the school is run. A teacher clearly has much more insight on that.

Also, until you have spoken to someone you cannot call them "white friendly" or "AA friendly" ( I am a terribly horrified that these terms are even in use), and Principal Cobbs is welcoming and dedicated to ALL children so stop putting words in her mouth.


OK, so let's assume that you boosters are right. Principal Cobbs is indeed welcoming to all children. So where are the pullout groups for advanced learners in upper grades Brent offers? She won't even discuss the option with prospective parents.



Anonymous
Post 06/01/2013 17:25     Subject: ludlow-taylor

I'd love to hear more about the diversity forum. I'm sure many schools struggle with this and would benefit from hearing about it as well.

Thanks!
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2013 16:09     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Hamilton was consolidated into LT which gave them SN children and self contained classrooms. The teachers and parents of LT signed petitions NOT to have the merger go through. Just a bit of history.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2013 14:28     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Had a tour at LT this past week and was pretty impressed! The teachers had great classroom management, principal took quite a bit of time to speak with us and the renovations at the school (beginning this summer) sound amazing. One thing that stood out was the space they make for sn children at the school - although my child isn't sn, I just really appreciate a school dedicated to educating all children in the best way they can. Was also impressed by the diversity forum they held this past week to begin to mend some of the issues they have had in the past. They held a playdate this morning for upcoming families. Not sure what our final stop will be but LT has made this decision hard.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2013 19:51     Subject: Re:ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:I am stunned by the comments on this thread. I am a teacher at Ludlow. We are welcoming to ALL students. That is what this is about - the kids. Most parents at the school are impressed by the gains made by their students while at LT. If parents have difficulty with low-SES, OOB, or AA students in the classrooms learning alongside their children, perhaps another school would suit their needs better. Research has shown that integrating lower SES students into higher SES environments increases the achievement of the lower SES students while having no effect on higher SES students. It is our responsibility to ensure achievement for all students, regardless of gender, race, income level, religion, or disability. LT is welcoming to ALL children - and this is ultimately what we are discussing; CHILDREN. All of them have talents, abilities, potentials, and beauty. ALL OF THEM.

I find it troubling that people are posting these divisive and hurtful comments. I am incredibly proud of our school, our teachers, our tireless efforts, our parents that give everything they can to ensure the growth of their kids, and our principal who insists that our first priority is teaching every child. Not just IB students, not just higher SES students, and not only non-AA students. ALL children. I love LT and how it has enhanced my life - personally and professionally.


I think we should listen to the teacher and ignore the slander and ignorant ranting plaguing this blog. Just because someone had a child that went to LT for a couple years does not necessarily mean he or she understands how the school is run. A teacher clearly has much more insight on that.

Also, until you have spoken to someone you cannot call them "white friendly" or "AA friendly" ( I am a terribly horrified that these terms are even in use), and Principal Cobbs is welcoming and dedicated to ALL children so stop putting words in her mouth.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2013 19:14     Subject: Re:ludlow-taylor

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Try this for answers: stand by the front door between 8:00 and 8:30 AM on any school day. Watch dozens of MD plate cars pull up to drop kids off. Watch little yellow school buses roll in, bringing scores of OOB special needs kids. Watch a couple dozen tiny little white kids trickle in, and a handful of older ones. No fighting, little disruptive behavior, standard DCPS curriculum (which is challenging for the great majority of kids in lower grades, and around half the high-SES kids in upper grades) yet LT is far from a high-SES friendly neighborhood school in a mostly high-SES neighborhood. It's a Ward 7, 8 and PG County school in the Stanton Park neighborhood.


I understand why "PG cheaters" are a drain on the school system as a whole, and in particular take spots at the PS-PK level away from legit DC residents.

What I don't understand is how PG County kids in the classroom affect the quality of a specific school. When I look at the kids and parents in my daughter's DCPS classroom, the PG kids are smart and well-behaved (they aren't all perfect little geniuses, but they don't stand out as challenging kids), and their parents participate in school events and are committed to their children's education.

So while I get the problem at the macro level, I just don't get how PG kids' presence can be something "wrong" with a school -- unless the issue is simply that they're black?

Similarly, it's one thing to look at a low-performing school and argue that a prevalence of low-SES families is a problem. (I believe every school ought to be able to educate every kid, but by definition high-SES families possess more resources to contribute to their child's school/education.)

It's another thing to acknowledge a school is doing just fine -- "No fighting, little disruptive behavior, standard DCPS curriculum," in your words -- but still argue that low SES or PG County kids are a problem. It's hard for me to see that as anything other than racism.

It bugs me that Maury is more highly regarded by Hill parents than Ludlow-Taylor. Ludlow-Taylor has stronger scores, by rights it should be the preferred school -- but it also has fewer white kids, which I guess is the rub.

"Not wanting to be an only" makes sense in theory, but in practice it seems more like "wanting to be the majority" -- the Hill schools that get talked up are the ones that are 40-60% white. (Ludlow is 10% white.)


Look, your rascist theories are bunk. DCPS is a terrible school system. Period. It is dysfunctional, unorganized, corrupt and for decades has failed to adequately educate the children of this city. Individual schools where involved, educated and financially stable ( able to contribute big bucks to the PTA and school budget ) families end up tend to do better on scores and other measures of school success. Those parents have and enforce higher expectations in the classrooms and for extra curricular activities. And therefore attract more families who have similar expectations and the school gets better despite the DCPS dysfunction. ON CAPITOL HILL those families tend to be white. Not all, but many. Add to that the fact that middle class, living in DC AA families are even more likely to shun a sub-standard DCPS. You don't have white families avoiding black children. You have white families avoiding bad schools. None of the above is fair or just. It sucks that children in largely poor schools get the worst that DCPS has to offer, because they lack the buffer of an active and engaged and financially and politically potent school community. It shouldn't be that way. But it isn't racism either. It is dysfunctional government and social forces that sadly in the end end up turning us all against one another.


But you said it wasn't a bad school....So what is being avoided?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2013 17:30     Subject: ludlow-taylor

This OOB thing at LT is so bogus. Has anyone thought about children with shared custody- children being dropped off by well meaning family members & friends, children who (by the dedication of their family members) are being raised by grandparents WHO DO INDEED live in the neighborhood. Just because you saw a Maryland plate doesn't mean they are cheating the system. LT is full of well meaning, kind, and educated adults and teachers who would love to meet you, if you got off this insane board long enough to formulate your own opinions.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2013 20:24     Subject: ludlow-taylor

Yes, or the people who never got called in the lottery even though they "ran through the whole list."