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Anonymous wrote:It’s perfectly fine to say you don’t like the show. It is questionable to say you don’t like it because people of color as the royalty and nobility is historically inaccurate since everyone now knows that it was not meant to be historically accurate. It’s like saying you dislike Star Trek because it didn’t realistically portray space flight.

I like watching historical productions for their accuracy. Because I'm a history geek. For me, the pleasure is bringing the past alive in an accurate way.

I know Bridgerton isn't historically accurate and isn't intended to be accurate (and the color blind casting is part of it), so that's why I'm not going to watch it. Just like I wouldn't watch a show about the Zulus or the Chinese court that had colorblind casting, because it wouldn't be a serious attempt at a historical production, just fantasy. And I'm not into fantasy.

That is fine, by the way. There's a place for fantasy and a place for historical accuracy. But I wouldn't judge people for not liking Bridgerton because it isn't historically accurate.

So this means you don’t watch any fantasy? Star Trek? Game of Thrones? Star Wars?

God, you’re annoying.
DP

That’s fine. Questioning bullsh*t can annoy sh*tty people.

If we lived in a time where race was not relevant, colorblind casting would always make complete sense, even in productions (unlike Bridgerton) that were trying to accurately convey a historical time and place that was not actually very diverse. To colorblind people, the race of characters would barely be noticeable.

But race is the number one or two preoccupation right now of Americans, whether in regard to BLM or white supremacy or reparations or Latin American refugee issues. And we are also urged by our leaders to focus on issues of race when considering current injustices as well as the history of our nation!

So it seems a little odd to me that some people in this thread think it’s weird that viewers notice race! Of course they do. I think it’s value-neutral, in a time when we have learned that saying you’re colorblind is a) untrue and b) indicative of your racial privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s perfectly fine to say you don’t like the show. It is questionable to say you don’t like it because people of color as the royalty and nobility is historically inaccurate since everyone now knows that it was not meant to be historically accurate. It’s like saying you dislike Star Trek because it didn’t realistically portray space flight.

I like watching historical productions for their accuracy. Because I'm a history geek. For me, the pleasure is bringing the past alive in an accurate way.

I know Bridgerton isn't historically accurate and isn't intended to be accurate (and the color blind casting is part of it), so that's why I'm not going to watch it. Just like I wouldn't watch a show about the Zulus or the Chinese court that had colorblind casting, because it wouldn't be a serious attempt at a historical production, just fantasy. And I'm not into fantasy.

That is fine, by the way. There's a place for fantasy and a place for historical accuracy. But I wouldn't judge people for not liking Bridgerton because it isn't historically accurate.

So this means you don’t watch any fantasy? Star Trek? Game of Thrones? Star Wars?

God, you’re annoying.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I have a love-hate relationship with this show. The storyline is fun but I got really confused during the first 15 mins because I did not expect it to be in an alternte reality. When I saw the costumes in the beginning, I thought, oh ok, it’s Jane austen era, but then, as the story goes, I realize it’s not your typical period piece. The only casting that I liked is the duke and the opera singer. The queen is horrible and I wonder if she was added there to poke fun at the idea of royalty. Dapne is so plain, it wiyld not be an issue if she was not depicted as someone who’s supposed to be gorgeous, ditto with Marina.

I loved the queen. She was hilarious. Marina was pretty and her hair was beautiful.

DP. I loved the queen too. She played the role deliciously and pitch perfectly.

Disagree on Marina. Her hair may be beautiful, but she lacked charm from get go.

Do you have to be charming in order to be pretty?

DP. Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a love-hate relationship with this show. The storyline is fun but I got really confused during the first 15 mins because I did not expect it to be in an alternte reality. When I saw the costumes in the beginning, I thought, oh ok, it’s Jane austen era, but then, as the story goes, I realize it’s not your typical period piece. The only casting that I liked is the duke and the opera singer. The queen is horrible and I wonder if she was added there to poke fun at the idea of royalty. Dapne is so plain, it wiyld not be an issue if she was not depicted as someone who’s supposed to be gorgeous, ditto with Marina.

I loved the queen. She was hilarious. Marina was pretty and her hair was beautiful.

DP. I loved the queen too. She played the role deliciously and pitch perfectly.

Disagree on Marina. Her hair may be beautiful, but she lacked charm from get go.

+1
I enjoyed the queen but found Marina utterly charmless.

Anonymous wrote:It’s perfectly fine to say you don’t like the show. It is questionable to say you don’t like it because people of color as the royalty and nobility is historically inaccurate since everyone now knows that it was not meant to be historically accurate. It’s like saying you dislike Star Trek because it didn’t realistically portray space flight.

Meh. People can like or dislike shows for any reason they choose. Whether you find it “questionable” or not is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a love-hate relationship with this show. The storyline is fun but I got really confused during the first 15 mins because I did not expect it to be in an alternte reality. When I saw the costumes in the beginning, I thought, oh ok, it’s Jane austen era, but then, as the story goes, I realize it’s not your typical period piece. The only casting that I liked is the duke and the opera singer. The queen is horrible and I wonder if she was added there to poke fun at the idea of royalty. Dapne is so plain, it wiyld not be an issue if she was not depicted as someone who’s supposed to be gorgeous, ditto with Marina.

I loved the queen. She was hilarious. Marina was pretty and her hair was beautiful.

DP. I loved the queen too. She played the role deliciously and pitch perfectly.

Disagree on Marina. Her hair may be beautiful, but she lacked charm from get go.

Do you have to be charming in order to be pretty?

It made no sense that Marina would have the number of suitors that she had. She had a pretty face, but her attitude was always sullen and flat. Women of that class would have been expected to be polite, to be able to make conversation, to be charming. Plus, she was not from an important or high-ranking family, and we saw no indication that she came from a lot of money or had a big dowry. She would have a few suitors because she was pretty, but she would not have been so sought after without rank, money, or social grace.

This is fantasy. You can't apply real Regency standards and attitudes to it. The show writers and producers aren't going for an accurate production, but playful romance fiction.

Read Austen if you want something more real.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s perfectly fine to say you don’t like the show. It is questionable to say you don’t like it because people of color as the royalty and nobility is historically inaccurate since everyone now knows that it was not meant to be historically accurate. It’s like saying you dislike Star Trek because it didn’t realistically portray space flight.

[b]I like watching historical productions for their accuracy. Because I'm a history geek. For me, the pleasure is bringing the past alive in an accurate way. [b]

I know Bridgerton isn't historically accurate and isn't intended to be accurate (and the color blind casting is part of it), so that's why I'm not going to watch it. Just like I wouldn't watch a show about the Zulus or the Chinese court that had colorblind casting, because it wouldn't be a serious attempt at a historical production, just fantasy. And I'm not into fantasy.

That is fine, by the way. There's a place for fantasy and a place for historical accuracy. But I wouldn't judge people for not liking Bridgerton because it isn't historically accurate.

None of those productions are 100% accurate. Some aren’t even 50% accurate. I have a masters degree in history.

And what is your point?

I just watched the 1996 production of Pride and Prejudice. It's pretty accurate. Faithful to the story and captures finely the mannerism and standards of the Regency period as well as its hypocrites. A colorblind production wouldn't be accurate. It'd be something quite different.

Historical productions span the range from very accurate to very inaccurate. The difference is sincerity. It comes down to what the intent is.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just starting the series. Did anyone recognize Thank U next by Ariana grande at Lady Danburys ball?

Yes! I thought that was great song choice. So cheeky!

I only know because I watch with closed captioning. All the music is a modern song I believe.

Anonymous wrote:Marina was the only miscast character in my opinion. I loved that she was savvy and experienced but the actress was wrong.

I think Marina was totally miscast. She is pretty but not gorgeous they way I would expect. I also think Daphne was not attractive enough to land the Duke. She looked like a tween. It was off putting. I also didn’t realize she was the actress in Younger who has a kid with Josh. She looked prettier in that show but she is not cute enough to land the Duke and Josh. They are both so hot.

Anonymous wrote:I’m just starting the series. Did anyone recognize Thank U next by Ariana grande at Lady Danburys ball?

Yes! I thought that was great song choice. So cheeky!

I’m just starting the series. Did anyone recognize Thank U next by Ariana grande at Lady Danburys ball?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s perfectly fine to say you don’t like the show. It is questionable to say you don’t like it because people of color as the royalty and nobility is historically inaccurate since everyone now knows that it was not meant to be historically accurate. It’s like saying you dislike Star Trek because it didn’t realistically portray space flight.

[b]I like watching historical productions for their accuracy. Because I'm a history geek. For me, the pleasure is bringing the past alive in an accurate way. [b]

I know Bridgerton isn't historically accurate and isn't intended to be accurate (and the color blind casting is part of it), so that's why I'm not going to watch it. Just like I wouldn't watch a show about the Zulus or the Chinese court that had colorblind casting, because it wouldn't be a serious attempt at a historical production, just fantasy. And I'm not into fantasy.

That is fine, by the way. There's a place for fantasy and a place for historical accuracy. But I wouldn't judge people for not liking Bridgerton because it isn't historically accurate.

None of those productions are 100% accurate. Some aren’t even 50% accurate. I have a masters degree in history.

Marina was the only miscast character in my opinion. I loved that she was savvy and experienced but the actress was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a love-hate relationship with this show. The storyline is fun but I got really confused during the first 15 mins because I did not expect it to be in an alternte reality. When I saw the costumes in the beginning, I thought, oh ok, it’s Jane austen era, but then, as the story goes, I realize it’s not your typical period piece. The only casting that I liked is the duke and the opera singer. The queen is horrible and I wonder if she was added there to poke fun at the idea of royalty. Dapne is so plain, it wiyld not be an issue if she was not depicted as someone who’s supposed to be gorgeous, ditto with Marina.

I loved the queen. She was hilarious. Marina was pretty and her hair was beautiful.

DP. I loved the queen too. She played the role deliciously and pitch perfectly.

Disagree on Marina. Her hair may be beautiful, but she lacked charm from get go.

Do you have to be charming in order to be pretty?

It made no sense that Marina would have the number of suitors that she had. She had a pretty face, but her attitude was always sullen and flat. Women of that class would have been expected to be polite, to be able to make conversation, to be charming. Plus, she was not from an important or high-ranking family, and we saw no indication that she came from a lot of money or had a big dowry. She would have a few suitors because she was pretty, but she would not have been so sought after without rank, money, or social grace.