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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.

well, you're not demonstrating great reading skills. NOBODY, not a single candidate of any party, is arguing for open borders. try again.

Which candidate supports ICE complying with the deportation orders for criminals that have already been issued by judges once rendered years after an illegal entry? Which candidate supports ICE doing its job after people cross the border? Not one which is effectively open borders.

A woman drinks from a toilet and AOC losses her sh*t as people in multiple cities are stepping in human sh*t. Privilege.

I realize that your lack of cognitive abilities makes it difficult for you to keep pace with arguments, but just try.

This thread is in response to GOP-propaganda claiming that the Democrats are for "open borders." Not about deportation of criminal aliens.

And for what it's worth - focusing resources on deporting criminal aliens was an OBAMA ERA policy. The Trump focus on taking babies away from moms TOOK MONEY AWAY from focusing on deporting the really bad guys.

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Anonymous wrote:Just because I don't want desperate refugees and their children turned away at the border or detained and treated cruelly, doesn't mean I want "open borders".

Cut the crap, GOP. If you're even capable of cutting the crap - given that's all you seem to spew these days.

Maybe YOU don't want open borders, but many in the Democratic Party are heading that way.........
Last weeks' debate showed that. And, it demonstrated that most of the candidates are totally out of step with the desires of the American people.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

+1 million

I don't care what your 'data' says. When my standard of living is being lowered due to illegal immigration, it becomes an issue for me. And, many like me. Educated and not.

+2,000,000

Yes yes yes.

How is your standard of living being lowered "due to illegal immigration." I would actual facts and examples, please. Not talking points.

Have you been conveniently skipping posts that have already laid out these facts and examples? Too painful for you to hear about the overcrowded schools full of kids who don't speak English, whose needs come before kids of American citizens? How about the neighborhoods with multiple families of illegal immigrants crowding into houses and lowering the value of said neighborhoods? Shall I continue? If you can't keep up with the thread, perhaps you should simply do some googling of your own.

You're welcome to post actual research ... which you have not done.

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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.

This is where you reveal your bias. Because let's face it, highly skilled workers in the conventional sense, are most often from countries with A) higher socio-economic foundations (e.g., not poor countries) and B) very often white. As Trump himself said, he wants people from Norway not "sh%thole countries". So spare me the it's all about legality BS. It's not. You know it.

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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.

well, you're not demonstrating great reading skills. NOBODY, not a single candidate of any party, is arguing for open borders. try again.

Which candidate supports ICE complying with the deportation orders for criminals that have already been issued by judges once rendered years after an illegal entry? Which candidate supports ICE doing its job after people cross the border? Not one which is effectively open borders.

A woman drinks from a toilet and AOC losses her sh*t as people in multiple cities are stepping in human sh*t. Privilege.

I realize that your lack of cognitive abilities makes it difficult for you to keep pace with arguments, but just try.

This thread is in response to GOP-propaganda claiming that the Democrats are for "open borders." Not about deportation of criminal aliens.

And for what it's worth - focusing resources on deporting criminal aliens was an OBAMA ERA policy. The Trump focus on taking babies away from moms TOOK MONEY AWAY from focusing on deporting the really bad guys.

Anonymous wrote:No one should ever need to drink from a toilet, crap on a street or feel unsafe on the streets yet, here we are.

I hear stories no one will hear and that AOC would refuse to listen to: the beautiful baby rocked and cuddled by an agent in a one-on-one capacity. That baby was rented out.

I sure do wish AOC listened when the agents begged for more resources. She shirked her responsibility and the overcrowding conditions are on HER conscience.

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Anonymous wrote:what happens others who want to come here, but just can't simply cross the border? is it fair to them?

The whole rhetoric behind democrats is that they want minority VOTES!!! They have no real solutions to anything, so in order to stay in power they need these votes. It is simple as that, however, as a minority i don't buy into their bs.

I don't care so much about the votes. I just tend to like the foreigners I meet better than the rural white people I meet. The latter tend to be so shrill. And their food is usually pretty terrible.

Perhaps you'd be happier in a country with fewer "rural white people"? What's stopping you from leaving?
-DP

Perhaps there aren’t any other countries to which pp qualifies to immigrate.

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Anonymous wrote:what happens others who want to come here, but just can't simply cross the border? is it fair to them?

The whole rhetoric behind democrats is that they want minority VOTES!!! They have no real solutions to anything, so in order to stay in power they need these votes. It is simple as that, however, as a minority i don't buy into their bs.

I don't care so much about the votes. I just tend to like the foreigners I meet better than the rural white people I meet. The latter tend to be so shrill. And their food is usually pretty terrible.

Perhaps you'd be happier in a country with fewer "rural white people"? What's stopping you from leaving?
-DP

Get bent. This is my country and those diabetic, Rascal-riding Trump supporters are ruining it.

Anonymous wrote:No one should ever need to drink from a toilet, crap on a street or feel unsafe on the streets yet, here we are.

I hear stories no one will hear and that AOC would refuse to listen to: the beautiful baby rocked and cuddled by an agent in a one-on-one capacity. That baby was rented out.

I sure do wish AOC listened when the agents begged for more resources. She shirked her responsibility and the overcrowding conditions are on HER conscience.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

+1 million

I don't care what your 'data' says. When my standard of living is being lowered due to illegal immigration, it becomes an issue for me. And, many like me. Educated and not.

+2,000,000

Yes yes yes.

How is your standard of living being lowered "due to illegal immigration." I would actual facts and examples, please. Not talking points.

Have you been conveniently skipping posts that have already laid out these facts and examples? Too painful for you to hear about the overcrowded schools full of kids who don't speak English, whose needs come before kids of American citizens? How about the neighborhoods with multiple families of illegal immigrants crowding into houses and lowering the value of said neighborhoods? Shall I continue? If you can't keep up with the thread, perhaps you should simply do some googling of your own.

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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.

This is where you reveal your bias. Because let's face it, highly skilled workers in the conventional sense, are most often from countries with A) higher socio-economic foundations (e.g., not poor countries) and B) very often white. As Trump himself said, he wants people from Norway not "sh%thole countries". So spare me the it's all about legality BS. It's not. You know it.

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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.

well, you're not demonstrating great reading skills. NOBODY, not a single candidate of any party, is arguing for open borders. try again.

Which candidate supports ICE complying with the deportation orders for criminals that have already been issued by judges once rendered years after an illegal entry? Which candidate supports ICE doing its job after people cross the border? Not one which is effectively open borders.

A woman drinks from a toilet and AOC losses her sh*t as people in multiple cities are stepping in human sh*t. Privilege.

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That's why many low-income Americans will choose Trump. They feel left out with the current favoritism of illegals by the Democrat party.

Mostly just the white ones. Non-white low income Americans by and large favor the Democrats. So, Trump support is mostly a function of being white; not being poor.

I’m not white and also not poor and am closer to Trump than to the current crop of Dems on immigration. I loathe Trump and don’t think I can bring myself to vote for him, but I might sit out the election (as a PA voter) if the Democratic candidate is too far left on immigration. And there are lots more like me.

Then you're completely gullible and have fallen for the Bannon/Miller long play to inflate immigration into a voting issue. Please, think more critically. What the Democrats are reacting to is the Trump administration's purposefully vicious acts -- arbitrarily pulling visas on the basis of religion; separating children; putting children in detention camps instead of better shelters. They did this on purpose, to get a reaction out of Democrats, so they in turn could create the specter of the "emergency at the border" and claim that the Democrats' reaction TO THEIR VICIOUSNESS constitutes being "too far left on immigration."

So please, actually look at the record of the Democratic party on immigration, as well as the candidates. Literally nobody is calling for open borders.

DP. Wow, you've really fallen hard for the propaganda of the left, haven't you? You *actually* believe the bolded. Aren't you the party who thinks you're so much better educated than everyone else? Hint: you're not - and it shows.

You need to wake up and stop with the right wing propaganda. The bolder by the pp is the truth.

What you view as “truth” is absolutely left wing propaganda. Only someone completely brainwashed would believe this administration somehow “engineered” the very real border crisis in order to “get a reaction” from Democrats. Unbelievable that you actually believe this insanity.

The difference is the reaction -- there was a surge in crossings under the Obama administration, but he reacted humanely, not by demonizing them.

And although crossings were at a comparative high in 2019, they are still at a historical low overall: https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-illegal-border-crossing-20190307-story.html

Everyone engages in propaganda, but there's one side of this debate that is engaging in xenophobia-stoking propaganda, against a background of increasingly violent white nationalism world-wide. And it's not the Democrats.

Sorry, I disagree entirely with your assertion that those of us who want strict border control are somehow "xenophobic." That's just a convenient word for you to trot out when you have no other rebuttal. Countries have every right to decide who can and cannot enter - the US is no different. LEGAL, highly-skilled immigrants from all over the world make this country a great place by contributing to our economy. Period.