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Anonymous wrote:Quick takeaways that I can gather:

- nearly all accepted students are at 99% national

- MCPS % is more variable than national, however nearly - if not - all accepted students are over 90% MCPS

- based on the national %, it is clear that all accepted students were "qualified", so to speak

- more interesting are the students not accepted, while some are obvious, e.g. below 95% national, there are a number of high performers that did not get in

- the system that has been set up seems to provide MCPS with options for choosing between "qualified" students, however it is obviously very opaque

- students with the biggest differential between national and MCPS % seem to be in the Chevy Chase CES boundary.

You realize that this is massively incomplete data from likely a non-representative group?

Kind of early to draw any conclusions from a sample like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?

Yes, and some of those 99%ers are getting there partly because of enrichment and even test prep. Back in the day of the HGC, Cold Spring was a hotbed of test prep.

Doesn't Doc Li drop off and pickup at Cold Spring?

Hahaha. Probably

I did not know what you were talking about, so a few seconds of googling later and I really cannot believe was I was seeing. 3 hours per day as a K-8 aftercare type program? That's crazy.

FWIW it illustrates how preparation impacts to achievement.

And yet, greater impacts due to SES status are brushed aside as nothing, just the natural order of things.

I guess I should've been more clear because that's not at all what I wanted to convey.

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Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?

Yes, and some of those 99%ers are getting there partly because of enrichment and even test prep. Back in the day of the HGC, Cold Spring was a hotbed of test prep.

Doesn't Doc Li drop off and pickup at Cold Spring?

Hahaha. Probably

I did not know what you were talking about, so a few seconds of googling later and I really cannot believe was I was seeing. 3 hours per day as a K-8 aftercare type program? That's crazy.

FWIW it illustrates how preparation impacts to achievement.

And yet, greater impacts due to SES status are brushed aside as nothing, just the natural order of things.

Anonymous wrote:Quick takeaways that I can gather:

- nearly all accepted students are at 99% national

- MCPS % is more variable than national, however nearly - if not - all accepted students are over 90% MCPS

- based on the national %, it is clear that all accepted students were "qualified", so to speak

- more interesting are the students not accepted, while some are obvious, e.g. below 95% national, there are a number of high performers that did not get in

- the system that has been set up seems to provide MCPS with options for choosing between "qualified" students, however it is obviously very opaque

- students with the biggest differential between national and MCPS % seem to be in the Chevy Chase CES boundary.

You realize that this is massively incomplete data from likely a non-representative group?

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Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?

Yes, and some of those 99%ers are getting there partly because of enrichment and even test prep. Back in the day of the HGC, Cold Spring was a hotbed of test prep.

Doesn't Doc Li drop off and pickup at Cold Spring?

Hahaha. Probably

I did not know what you were talking about, so a few seconds of googling later and I really cannot believe was I was seeing. 3 hours per day as a K-8 aftercare type program? That's crazy.

FWIW it illustrates how preparation impacts to achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:The opaque part could be explained by MaP scores and grades

Probably. It is funny to me to see people get so bent out of shape about this when it seems pretty clear that the most deterministic factor in who gets accepted is clearly the national percentile on the Cogat.

How they pick between the 99%? No one really knows, but I think an easy solution is to just encourage MCPS to expand this program to all national 99% students. The reality is that it is probably only a few hundred across the entire district.

I mean that there are probably at the most 100 or so 99% kids national that don't get in. The downside is probably that a burgeoning industry of 3rd grade test prep will emerge, which will then lead to claims of "opportunity hording" or whatever.

Anonymous wrote:The opaque part could be explained by MaP scores and grades

Probably. It is funny to me to see people get so bent out of shape about this when it seems pretty clear that the most deterministic factor in who gets accepted is clearly the national percentile on the Cogat.

How they pick between the 99%? No one really knows, but I think an easy solution is to just encourage MCPS to expand this program to all national 99% students. The reality is that it is probably only a few hundred across the entire district.

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Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?

Yes, and some of those 99%ers are getting there partly because of enrichment and even test prep. Back in the day of the HGC, Cold Spring was a hotbed of test prep.

Doesn't Doc Li drop off and pickup at Cold Spring?

Hahaha. Probably

I did not know what you were talking about, so a few seconds of googling later and I really cannot believe was I was seeing. 3 hours per day as a K-8 aftercare type program? That's crazy.

The opaque part could be explained by MaP scores and grades

Quick takeaways that I can gather:

- nearly all accepted students are at 99% national

- MCPS % is more variable than national, however nearly - if not - all accepted students are over 90% MCPS

- based on the national %, it is clear that all accepted students were "qualified", so to speak

- more interesting are the students not accepted, while some are obvious, e.g. below 95% national, there are a number of high performers that did not get in

- the system that has been set up seems to provide MCPS with options for choosing between "qualified" students, however it is obviously very opaque

- students with the biggest differential between national and MCPS % seem to be in the Chevy Chase CES boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?

Yes, and some of those 99%ers are getting there partly because of enrichment and even test prep. Back in the day of the HGC, Cold Spring was a hotbed of test prep.

Doesn't Doc Li drop off and pickup at Cold Spring?

Hahaha. Probably

Zip MCPS National CES Status
20814 86 98 Chevy Chase Accepted
98 99 Oakview Accepted
20815 95 99 Accepted
20874 91 95 Accepted
95 95 Oakview Accepted
98 99 Chevy Chase Accepted
20850 94 99 Cold Spring Accepted
20871 96 99 Accepted
20912 96 99 Piney Branch Accepted
20912 98 99 Piney Branch Accepted
20854 96 99 Cold Spring Accepted
97 99 Pinecrest Accepted
99 99 Cold Spring Accepted
96 99 Chevy Chase Accepted
20854 98 99 Cold Spring WL
87 98 WL
94 98 Barnsley Accepted
20850 94 99 Cold Spring Accepted
70 88 WL
56 89 WL
92 99 Cold Spring Rejected
93 99 Chevy Chase Rejected
76 96 Chevy Chase Rejected
37 81 Rejected
80 97 Rejected
87 97 Piney Branch Rejected
50 88 Chevy Chase Rejected
70 88 Fox Chapel Rejected
98 99 Accepted
64 92 Chevy Chase Rejected
80 97 Accepted
80 97 Barnsley Rejected

What about Mill Creek Towne?

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Anonymous wrote:My child was rejected (64th percentile MCPS and 92th percentile National). Home school is Westbrook Elementary in Bethesda.

Out of curiosity, putting aside the CES process, what would you take away from these scores? Would you be worried about the 64th percentile, and perhaps try Kumon or similar outside of school?

This is what I don’t understand. This kid scored better than 92% of kids nationwide, and you’re talking about Kumon?? This type of pushing/pressure on a kid can’t be good. It just can’t.

I wouldn’t take anything away from these scores. My kid scored 69th MCPS/94th National (rejected) yet has an IQ that is 99th percentile and 99th MAP.

MCPS uses an abbreviated version of the CoGAT which is a subset of only three of tests. There are very few seats available in CES.

IMHO, no need to worry or to put your kid in Kumon. Let them play.

Anonymous wrote:Barnsley
Accepted
MCPS 94/National 98

Rejected
MCPS 93/National 99

Cold Spring
Accepted
MCPS 94/National 99
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 99/National 99
MCPS 94/National 99

Waitlisted
MCPS 98/National 99

Rejected
MCPS 92/National 99

Drew
Accepted
99/99

Chevy Chase
Accepted
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 94/National 99
MCPS 98/National 99

Waitlisted
MCPS 86/National 98

Rejected
MCPS 76/National 96
MCPS 64/National 92
MCPS 93/National 99

Clearspring
Waitlisted
MCPS 96

Oakview
Accepted
MCPS 98/National 99
MCPS 95/National 95
MCPS 99/National 99

PBES
Accepted
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 98/National 99

Rejected
MCPS 87/National 97

Pinecrest
MCPS 97/National 99


Accepted
MCPS 90/National 97 (20902)
MCPS 91/National 95 (20874)
MCPS 95/National 99 (20815)
MCPS 96/Natiional 99 (20871)

My DS was accepted at Clearspring. MCPS 96, and National 99.