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Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

from research.schev.edu//enrollment/BIO_FreshmanProfile.asp

for UVA top 75% SAT of 1480 [UChicago 1600]
for UVA SAT median of 1400 [UChicago 1525]
for UVA low 25% SAT of 1320 [UChicago 1450]
for UVA ACT median of 32 [UChicago 34]
for UVA top 75% of 33 [UChicago 35]
for UVA low 25% of 29 [UChicago 32]

this comparison indicates that UVA student class is significantly broader in range of academic performance/attainment - UVA attracts some high performing academic students - UChicago has a significantly "tighter" distribution of test results.

This isn't meant to spark any controversy about the two schools - they are very different institutions and student experiences - but data can be helpful if taken with context.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Admitted and enrolled are two different set of stats. Here are some of the UVA admissions stats for ADMITTED students (you are using Chicagos ADMITTED students: 94% in top ten percent of their class, etc. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-releases-admissions-decisions-and-uva22-begins-trending-grounds. SCHEV provides the actual enrolled student data which is lower because a number of Virginia kids heading for Ivies use UVA (or used to before it became so difficult to get into) peel off.

Enrolled stats last fall 2017 UVA:

75th percentile GPA: 4:44
median GPA: 4.29
Bottom 25th: 4.13

ACT: 33/32/29 combined (note the 35 for top 75th percentile in math)

http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The stats for the admitted class of 2022 are higher but, of course, the enrolled SCHEV stats are not available yet.

Really good point. Lots of colleges inflate their stats by putting on their websites the stats of admitted rather than enrolled students. In Chicago's case, being an Ivy back-up many top students apply there and go elsewhere, so the stats of enrolling students will be lower. Same with UVA. But when comparing stats between schools you really should use the stats for students actually enrolled; they're all that count.

There's no question that on average Chicago students have higher test schools. But there are many, many UVA students with equally high scores, and few UVA students without very impressive scores at least. UVA is a very selective school.

I don't have the patience to read this whole thread, but I assume somewhere in these 25 pages, someone mentioned that Bill Gates' son is going to enroll at U. Chicago next year.

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Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

from research.schev.edu//enrollment/BIO_FreshmanProfile.asp

for UVA top 75% SAT of 1480 [UChicago 1600]
for UVA SAT median of 1400 [UChicago 1525]
for UVA low 25% SAT of 1320 [UChicago 1450]
for UVA ACT median of 32 [UChicago 34]
for UVA top 75% of 33 [UChicago 35]
for UVA low 25% of 29 [UChicago 32]

this comparison indicates that UVA student class is significantly broader in range of academic performance/attainment - UVA attracts some high performing academic students - UChicago has a significantly "tighter" distribution of test results.

This isn't meant to spark any controversy about the two schools - they are very different institutions and student experiences - but data can be helpful if taken with context.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Admitted and enrolled are two different set of stats. Here are some of the UVA admissions stats for ADMITTED students (you are using Chicagos ADMITTED students: 94% in top ten percent of their class, etc. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-releases-admissions-decisions-and-uva22-begins-trending-grounds. SCHEV provides the actual enrolled student data which is lower because a number of Virginia kids heading for Ivies use UVA (or used to before it became so difficult to get into) peel off.

Enrolled stats last fall 2017 UVA:

75th percentile GPA: 4:44
median GPA: 4.29
Bottom 25th: 4.13

ACT: 33/32/29 combined (note the 35 for top 75th percentile in math)

http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The stats for the admitted class of 2022 are higher but, of course, the enrolled SCHEV stats are not available yet.

Anonymous wrote:The average Chicago undergrad alum makes as much as a UVA grad. What’s the point of a miserable and very expensive college if it doesn’t generate income?

Chicago has great mba jd and phd programs, undergrad is obviously not worth it.

If you can't afford it then the decision is made for you - if you can afford it then it's your decision to make. I don't see the point of telling other people how to spend their money.

The average Chicago undergrad alum makes as much as a UVA grad. What’s the point of a miserable and very expensive college if it doesn’t generate income?

Chicago has great mba jd and phd programs, undergrad is obviously not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:After doing research, I found all the data I wanted, but that data only reflected the UVa side of the picture. UChicago does NOT publish any data that goes into the depth that Uva does. For that reason alone, seems UChicago feels that their placement and alum salaries aren't strong enough to warrant a lengthy report.

Chicago seems like a school for kids who don't live in a state with a top public university. If you live in NJ or Ohio or Pennsylvania and get rejected from every Ivy, Duke and Stanford, sure, consider Chicago as it's going to be in range of what OOS or private tuition would be anyway.

You have no idea wtf you’re talking about.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

from research.schev.edu//enrollment/BIO_FreshmanProfile.asp

for UVA top 75% SAT of 1480 [UChicago 1600]
for UVA SAT median of 1400 [UChicago 1525]
for UVA low 25% SAT of 1320 [UChicago 1450]
for UVA ACT median of 32 [UChicago 34]
for UVA top 75% of 33 [UChicago 35]
for UVA low 25% of 29 [UChicago 32]

this comparison indicates that UVA student class is significantly broader in range of academic performance/attainment - UVA attracts some high performing academic students - UChicago has a significantly "tighter" distribution of test results.

This isn't meant to spark any controversy about the two schools - they are very different institutions and student experiences - but data can be helpful if taken with context.

Anonymous wrote:After doing research, I found all the data I wanted, but that data only reflected the UVa side of the picture. UChicago does NOT publish any data that goes into the depth that Uva does. For that reason alone, seems UChicago feels that their placement and alum salaries aren't strong enough to warrant a lengthy report.

Chicago seems like a school for kids who don't live in a state with a top public university. If you live in NJ or Ohio or Pennsylvania and get rejected from every Ivy, Duke and Stanford, sure, consider Chicago as it's going to be in range of what OOS or private tuition would be anyway.

You have no idea wtf you’re talking about.

Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

After doing research, I found all the data I wanted, but that data only reflected the UVa side of the picture. UChicago does NOT publish any data that goes into the depth that Uva does. For that reason alone, seems UChicago feels that their placement and alum salaries aren't strong enough to warrant a lengthy report.

Chicago seems like a school for kids who don't live in a state with a top public university. If you live in NJ or Ohio or Pennsylvania and get rejected from every Ivy, Duke and Stanford, sure, consider Chicago as it's going to be in range of what OOS or private tuition would be anyway.

Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Anonymous wrote:What about the 75%

It was posted above. Median 50% 4.29. Lowest 25% @ 4.14. ACT @ 32-35 overall.

What about the 75%

Not anymore, the top 25% of UVA students entering in class of 2017 had a 4.44; median 4.29; lowest quadrant 4.24. This year's incoming class will even be higher. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. DC entered with a 35 ACT and 4.44 GPA.

Congratulations to your DC!

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Anonymous wrote:The student will encounter a much brighter population at U Chicago than he or she will encounter at UVA.

Since when? Have you seen what is required to get into UVA now?

It’s tough for you to see outside your box and around your pitcher of Kool Aid, I think, because of the nova competition — a teeming mass of the offspring of a crowded population of overachievers chasing too few seats at a good, fairly cheap school — but the in state acceptance rate is still high and the test scores are lower than Chicago’s. The notion that these schools are comparable is laughable.

All the independent 3rd parties - Payscale, Govt salary report, Forbes, WS financial reports - indicate UVA is comparable, even superior, to UChicago. OP's question is, is the tuition premium at UChicago justified? Independent parties who have no dog in the fight answer in the negative. What is laughable is that Uchicaho is being passed over routinely by likes of UVA, UCLA, and UCBerkely . That's what's alarming the UChicago people to the hysterical level.

Also, UVA tries to select a more healthy, well-rounded student - the leaders of tomorrow who also have 4.44 and 35 ACTs - whereas Chicago has always been more number oriented.

That’s well above the average act for that school.

Not anymore, the top 25% of UVA students entering in class of 2017 had a 4.44; median 4.29; lowest quadrant 4.24. This year's incoming class will even be higher. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. DC entered with a 35 ACT and 4.44 GPA.