Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:19
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?
I am old enough to remember Patricia Smith politicizing Benghazi at the RNC in 2016.
Really, get off your high horse, TRUMP POLITICIZED IT.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:16
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
She's clearly using a private conversation with a grieving family for her own political ends.
So...now it is the Congresswoman's fault that he is a bumbling ass? Man you guys are so far up Trump's rear-end, it is amazing. He may have meant well but he fumbled it. Just admit that and move on. Stop trying to gaslight folks into thinking that he is the correct one and everyone else got it wrong.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:15
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?
Yes, that fact had not escaped me. I bet no one said to Kelly: "your son knew what he signed up for."
Not in those exact words, but the meaning was the same: "Your son chose to sign up....WANTED to defend his country.....and died surrounded by his best friends, and doing exactly what he wanted to do." In the meantime, all this is a diversionary tactic to hide the successful operation in Syria. (And imagine how much worse the widow feels, with the Congresswoman creating a circus around this. FOR SHAME!!)
And if Trump had said those words in that way, maybe he wouldn't have made a widow who was 6 months pregnant cry. He's not good at empathy and should stop doing these calls.
First people were mad that he wasn't doing the calls. Now they're mad that he is. I don't like the guy, but it's clear the press and the establishment has an anti-Trump agenda.
How often have we heard about Trump not promptly fulfilling his promise to give $25k to a gold star family? Yet, when Obama promised money to the family of an American killed by ISIS and subsequently forgot to pay up, it was barely a blip on the radar.
http://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/us-hostage-kayla-muellers-foundation-finally-receives-obama/story?id=43215918
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:13
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
She's clearly using a private conversation with a grieving family for her own political ends.
The family clearly supports what she did. The mother has spoken out. I would lay money down that the family would have spoken up about their negative experience with the president regardless of what the congresswoman did.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:06
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
She's clearly using a private conversation with a grieving family for her own political ends.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:06
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
So Trump went against Kelly's advice not to contact the families, apparently to make himself look better by one-upping Obama and past presidents. And it blew up in his face.
It's all about his ego.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:04
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?
Yes, that fact had not escaped me. I bet no one said to Kelly: "your son knew what he signed up for."
Not in those exact words, but the meaning was the same: "Your son chose to sign up....WANTED to defend his country.....and died surrounded by his best friends, and doing exactly what he wanted to do." In the meantime, all this is a diversionary tactic to hide the successful operation in Syria. (And imagine how much worse the widow feels, with the Congresswoman creating a circus around this. FOR SHAME!!)
And if Trump had said those words in that way, maybe he wouldn't have made a widow who was 6 months pregnant cry. He's not good at empathy and should stop doing these calls.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:03
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. Talk about major spin. I'm middle class ok and thankful president trump is helpful by my 401k go up. You should be more grateful!
You must have loved President Obama then!
+1. S&P 500 is on a long roll that started shortly after Obama took office.
Oh, please. He took over when it was in the toilet. Of course it would go up. The fact is it recovered much more slowly than history tells us to expect, and that's because of his socialist liberal policies. The market went up not because of Obama, but DESPITE him.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 16:03
Subject: Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Nope. Not an elite. Never even cracked $100k. But I've taken modest vacations, buy at Target, and replaced cars once every 12 years or so I can comtribute the full amoimt to my 401k. I have $500,000 now. Hardly elite - but someone who twkes responsibility for herself and wants to build a nice retirement. I am typical of millions of others - hard-working middle Americans who sacrifice now for a comfortable future.
The out-of-work blue collar workers still get benefits, provided by my taxes, like food stamps, housing subsidize, free Medicaid, etc. Nobody's forgotten about them. But unlike libs, we don't direct 100% of our focus to poor people and ignore - or make worse - the situation with the middle class. Why are you happy that the middle class is more likely to have a good retirement, based on increasing stock values as a result of Trump's policies?
Again, that is why you LOST.
DP... I'm very similar to you, except our HHI is a bit larger, but we live pretty frugally. Like you, our cars are old; I shop at Target for our clothes; we didn't go on vacation this past year. I take responsibility for myself and am saving the max for our retirement. We are self employed.
I think you are confused to some degree about what the Dems tried to do for the middle class. They are not the ones who want to decrease services for the middle/lower class and give huge tax cuts to the rich. Many tax experts have stated that Trump/Rs tax plan will raise taxes for many of the middle class. Coupled that with cutting medicaid, wanting to let insurance companies charge 5x more for older Americans and those with pre-existing conditions for healthcare, this doesn't really help the middle class. Also, many in the middle class don't really have much in retirement. So, in actuality, in terms of retirement plans and stock value, you are an outlier in the middle class.
PP above to whom you responded......
We do seem to be in similar circumstances (and I am self-employed, as well). But I'm not confused about when the Dems tried to do for the middle class - I am living what they DID do for the middle class, and that was to create an insurance scheme that effectively decimated the individual market for middle-income people such as myself in order to see that poorer people got their care for free. My monthly premium is now MORE than the P&I on my mortgage, and I am living very modestly now in order to afford care. (And remember, after the astronomical premium, I've still had to pay for every medical expense I've incurred. The plans now are essentially "catastrophic" plans, but with "gold-level" premiums.)
As far as cutting Medicaid, they aren't cutting it - they are slowing the rate of growth. And we MUST do that. Medicaid is careening toward insolvency. We can't keep expanding entitlement program after entitlement program when the country is $20T in debt. And I know you believe we should just get it from the rich, but they are already paying the lion's share of taxes. If we needed to collect enough revenues to pay for all these programs, we'd have to dip down pretty far on the income scale, well into the upper-middle class.
Our philosophies our different. I support someone who helps create an environment that is conducive to business growth - via removal of onerous regulations and getting a corporate tax rate down to the point where we are globally competitive - so that employers can hire more people (both the lower and middle gain from that), pay more dividends (yes, the middle class gains from that), drive the stock price (middle class, too) and so forth. I am praying that this corporate tax rate goes through and the Dems don't try to block it.
Np. I support economic growth. In 2012, corporate profits (before- and after-tax) as a share of national income were at a postwar high. Corporate profits were relatively high throughout the late 1940s and 1950s, and fell throughout the 1960s and 1970s to reach a low in 1982. Since then, corporate profits reversed course and have generally been rising to their current postwar high.
The top statutory corporate tax rate has been falling since the early 1950s. The top corporate tax rate was 52 percent throughout the Eisenhower administration—17 percentage points higher than the current top rate of 35 percent. U.S. GDP grew by almost 4 percent annually in the 1950s compared with a 1.8 percent growth rate in the 2000s. So, it would appear that more robust economic growth is associated with higher corporate tax rates.
I see a much worse recession than the one we had with the Regan tax cuts.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:58
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Wow. Talk about major spin. I'm middle class ok and thankful president trump is helpful by my 401k go up. You should be more grateful!
You must have loved President Obama then!
+1. S&P 500 is on a long roll that started shortly after Obama took office.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:58
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
I'm sure that NY Times article gave it its typical anti-Trump spin, so I'm not bothering. I listened first-hand to Kelly just now, and he was terrific. He explained how other presidents, including Obama, never bothered with phone calls, but that Trump wanted to reach out personally. Kelly explained what Trump meant (I acknowledge Trump is not always the best communicator), as well as his dismay (he said he was "stunned") by that hat-lady Congresswoman. And it's true that Trump may have bungled the message somewhat, but does that it any way sink to the despicable words of Hillary as she lied to the grieving parents of the Benghazi victims, the deaths of whom she was responsible for, given her refusal to provided requested security? The fact that liberals think the Trump phone call comes even CLOSE to the despicable lie of Hillary's disgusts me.
It truly is despicable - no, make that DEPLORABLE - how the liberals take a sacred moment, a phone call from the president to a grieving war widow - and twist it around for political points.
(There was something that Kelly said that literally brought tears to my eyes. He said that he was so stunned by what the Congresswoman was doing that he decided to take a walk among the most honorable men and women on Earth, and he can always find them. He went to Arlington National Cemetery. )
Notice that it was Kelly who spoke so eloquently and emotionally, and not Trump. How hard would it have been for Trump to say simply, "I really am grieved that this hero's widow felt any pain from my phone call and I want her to know how much we value her husband's and her sacrifice." I guess we all know the answer: too hard. As Richard Painter just said, Trump has "no empathy."
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:58
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Wow. Talk about major spin. I'm middle class ok and thankful president trump is helpful by my 401k go up. You should be more grateful!
You must have loved President Obama then!
Actually, considering the depths of the Great Recession, the comeback was tepid. The growth would have been much better had Obama not instituted an anti-business environment.
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:56
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?
Yes, that fact had not escaped me. I bet no one said to Kelly: "your son knew what he signed up for."
Not in those exact words, but the meaning was the same: "Your son chose to sign up....WANTED to defend his country.....and died surrounded by his best friends, and doing exactly what he wanted to do." In the meantime, all this is a diversionary tactic to hide the successful operation in Syria. (And imagine how much worse the widow feels, with the Congresswoman creating a circus around this. FOR SHAME!!)
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:54
Subject: Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
GWB's ethics chief came out today and said that Trump "has no understanding of human emotions." Oof.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356150-bush-ethics-chief-trump-has-no-understanding-of-human-emotions
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356150-bush-ethics-chief-trump-has-no-understanding-of-human-emotions
Anonymous
10/19/2017 15:53
Subject: Re:Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And now Kelly jumps in publicly.
Sounds like Kelly tried to prep Trump for the call and remind him that Johnson was doing what he wanted to do when he died, and Trump kind of botched the execution in a big way. Not sure why he's complaining about the Congresswoman though. She was there, and has a right to say how Trump's insensitive words were interpreted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/john-kelly-son-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65972443&pgtype=article
Why is he complaining about the Congresswoman?
It was horribly insensitive and tactless of her to go public with the phone call. She politicized it. It was a private call and it was not her place to make it public.
If anyone knows... he does. He has been there - or didn’t you know he had a son killed in Afghanistan?
Yes, that fact had not escaped me. I bet no one said to Kelly: "your son knew what he signed up for."
+1 Kelly didn't deny that Trump said something thoughtless-it's hardly the first time that happened. He just is upset it became public.