Anonymous
10/12/2017 21:33
Subject: Re:Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He's fired and many more women coming forward. The men that have stood by and let this greedy, sex abuser thrive all these years should feel shame.
There were plenty of women too. They should be doubly ashamed.
Anjelilina Jolie said he harassed her and she tried warning other women, but they ignored her.
Honestly, Angelina Jolie's behaviour back in the day when this would have happened would have made me disbelieve/disregard her claims too- the blood with Billy Bob, the making out with her brother, etc. Plus, she wasn't some aspiring starlet from parents who waited at a WalMart in Arkansas- she had Hollywood power and connections behind her in her family. If she was going to tell someone, why the heck wouldn't she have told them - who might at least have had the power to do something about it.
You contradict yourself. First you said you wouldn't have believed her. Then you state why didn't she tell someone. She did tell someone. She told any female who would listen. Apparently, they took your first advice and didn't believe her. She also said she chose to never not work with him again. I guess that was her way of dealing with it.
No, I didn't contradict myself, you misunderstood. I said that if I was one of the actresses AngelIna "warned" my thought process would have been: hmm, her behaviour indicates that she is unstable. Second, why is she telling ME this when she could be telling someone with the power to do something about it when she has access to such people in her own family. These two factors combined would have made me disbelieve her, and think that it was a false allegation.
Now, to be clear I don't think they are all false allegations - clearly he has harassed and assaulted multiple women, but the Angelina piece raises red flags to me. Why would she have done the bare minimum (telling other women) if it was true, rather than telling people who actually might have been able to take action, when she had access to such people. Either do nothing, or do something meaningful if you're in a position to do so, which many of the other women weren't. Don't do something half-assed and then say "but I tried" when it all comes out later.
I'm sorry, this is just another form of victim blaming. She was 22 or 23 when she made her one and only movie with Weinstein she was married to a no-name actor and estranged from a neglectful and abusive father. What powers and connections did she have at that time? Please spell them out. And frankly if women like yourself felt and dismissed her with the nastiness you expressed in the bolded why should she even bother? At the age of 23, how many women did you go to bat for when they were being sexually harassed and objectified by their professors, bosses, etc.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 21:20
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:When I was 21, I was living on my own, going to college, working as a waitress.
One of my coworkers was a bit older (29) than me, took me under her wing and invited me out for dinner. She said her and her friends would pick me up. I agreed to go. When the car pulled up I got in. My friend was in the back seat. When her friends turned around to introduce themselves I realized they were men older than my father. In their late 50's. I was startled by this, but thought dinner is harmless I guess. I was naive eager to please my new friend.
It turned out that the gentlemen friends, one was the owner of a big car dealership, and one was one of the biggest lawyers in our city. My 21 year old self was too stupid to see at the time that attorney took to me, and started preying and grooming me throughout the dinner. Dinner was pleasant enough. Afterward they insisted we come to this party with them at some fancy house. I didn't really want to but the consensus was that it would be fun, and they were driving, so I gave in. We got there and it was fine... we ended up in a cigar room inside the house. Talking and having some wine and cigars. Then as in on cue, the room cleared and I was left with the lawyer on my own. He lunged at me and attacked me in word for word the exact description that the Italian actress Asia Argento described. I was shocked this week reading her account of what happened. Other than that I did not massage him with lotion. He pinned me and forcibly performed oral sex on me. Then raped me. I audibly told him no over and over. He was three times my size and not taking no for an answer.
Afterwards I did not know what to do. Who would believe me over him? He tried to pursue me after and offered to buy me a car and pay my rent. I said no to that too.
About 5 years later, he was all over the news for raping a clerk in his legal firm.
He was aquitted and got off of course. Just as I knew would happen. The victim was put through hell in the news and he flexed his muscle and got off Scott free.
I am 38 now and don't think about him often. My husband knows what happened but other than that I did nothing.
The claims in Harvey Weinsteins news articles stir up old memories.
It's a horrible position to be in. I obviously know I could have made better choices but I felt completely helpless in those moments and I completely empathize with the women.
I'm so sorry this happened to you.
I also have to admit that I just don't understand male sexuality. Who could possibly enjoy having sex with somebody who was clearly uphappy and even repulsed?
Anonymous
10/12/2017 21:16
Subject: Re:Harvey Weinstein
So TWC contract allowed for sexual harassment as long as Harvey paid the company back. What a nice group of men over there at at TWC. Sick!
Anonymous
10/12/2017 21:14
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
When I was 21, I was living on my own, going to college, working as a waitress.
One of my coworkers was a bit older (29) than me, took me under her wing and invited me out for dinner. She said her and her friends would pick me up. I agreed to go. When the car pulled up I got in. My friend was in the back seat. When her friends turned around to introduce themselves I realized they were men older than my father. In their late 50's. I was startled by this, but thought dinner is harmless I guess. I was naive eager to please my new friend.
It turned out that the gentlemen friends, one was the owner of a big car dealership, and one was one of the biggest lawyers in our city. My 21 year old self was too stupid to see at the time that attorney took to me, and started preying and grooming me throughout the dinner. Dinner was pleasant enough. Afterward they insisted we come to this party with them at some fancy house. I didn't really want to but the consensus was that it would be fun, and they were driving, so I gave in. We got there and it was fine... we ended up in a cigar room inside the house. Talking and having some wine and cigars. Then as in on cue, the room cleared and I was left with the lawyer on my own. He lunged at me and attacked me in word for word the exact description that the Italian actress Asia Argento described. I was shocked this week reading her account of what happened. Other than that I did not massage him with lotion. He pinned me and forcibly performed oral sex on me. Then raped me. I audibly told him no over and over. He was three times my size and not taking no for an answer.
Afterwards I did not know what to do. Who would believe me over him? He tried to pursue me after and offered to buy me a car and pay my rent. I said no to that too.
About 5 years later, he was all over the news for raping a clerk in his legal firm.
He was aquitted and got off of course. Just as I knew would happen. The victim was put through hell in the news and he flexed his muscle and got off Scott free.
I am 38 now and don't think about him often. My husband knows what happened but other than that I did nothing.
The claims in Harvey Weinsteins news articles stir up old memories.
It's a horrible position to be in. I obviously know I could have made better choices but I felt completely helpless in those moments and I completely empathize with the women.
One of my coworkers was a bit older (29) than me, took me under her wing and invited me out for dinner. She said her and her friends would pick me up. I agreed to go. When the car pulled up I got in. My friend was in the back seat. When her friends turned around to introduce themselves I realized they were men older than my father. In their late 50's. I was startled by this, but thought dinner is harmless I guess. I was naive eager to please my new friend.
It turned out that the gentlemen friends, one was the owner of a big car dealership, and one was one of the biggest lawyers in our city. My 21 year old self was too stupid to see at the time that attorney took to me, and started preying and grooming me throughout the dinner. Dinner was pleasant enough. Afterward they insisted we come to this party with them at some fancy house. I didn't really want to but the consensus was that it would be fun, and they were driving, so I gave in. We got there and it was fine... we ended up in a cigar room inside the house. Talking and having some wine and cigars. Then as in on cue, the room cleared and I was left with the lawyer on my own. He lunged at me and attacked me in word for word the exact description that the Italian actress Asia Argento described. I was shocked this week reading her account of what happened. Other than that I did not massage him with lotion. He pinned me and forcibly performed oral sex on me. Then raped me. I audibly told him no over and over. He was three times my size and not taking no for an answer.
Afterwards I did not know what to do. Who would believe me over him? He tried to pursue me after and offered to buy me a car and pay my rent. I said no to that too.
About 5 years later, he was all over the news for raping a clerk in his legal firm.
He was aquitted and got off of course. Just as I knew would happen. The victim was put through hell in the news and he flexed his muscle and got off Scott free.
I am 38 now and don't think about him often. My husband knows what happened but other than that I did nothing.
The claims in Harvey Weinsteins news articles stir up old memories.
It's a horrible position to be in. I obviously know I could have made better choices but I felt completely helpless in those moments and I completely empathize with the women.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 19:21
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:As if there aren't 1,000 "Harvey" execs doing exactly what he did RIGHT NOW. And actresses willing and eager to do as told for fame & fortune are ten a penny.
Why isn't EVERY single politician demanding a federal investigation into this Hollywood crime ring?
Anonymous
10/12/2017 16:55
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
. Easy to say.Anonymous wrote:What pisses me off is where were all of the people for 20 years who knew this was happening and systematically covered it up? The same for Roger Ailes. If it's a known thing that's happening, the cover will be blown sooner or later, right? Do people really get away with this behavior forever with no consequences?
Anonymous
10/12/2017 16:37
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:What pisses me off is where were all of the people for 20 years who knew this was happening and systematically covered it up? The same for Roger Ailes. If it's a known thing that's happening, the cover will be blown sooner or later, right? Do people really get away with this behavior forever with no consequences?
Apparently, yes.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 16:16
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
What pisses me off is where were all of the people for 20 years who knew this was happening and systematically covered it up? The same for Roger Ailes. If it's a known thing that's happening, the cover will be blown sooner or later, right? Do people really get away with this behavior forever with no consequences?
Anonymous
10/12/2017 16:14
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:As if there aren't 1,000 "Harvey" execs doing exactly what he did RIGHT NOW. And actresses willing and eager to do as told for fame & fortune are ten a penny.
I don't know about actresses willing and eager, but I do agree with the first part.
Let's be honest 10% of actors and actresses are amazing (Meryl Streep, etc). The rest are pretty faces with some talent. Talent that is on par with many who don't achieve success because the powers that be didn't push them forward.
Unless it becomes a tightly regulated job market, this will continue to happen on the regular.
I'm not excusing it at all. But combine an extremely limited number of jobs with a talent pool that is much larger, and this is what will happen. Nepotism, sexual harassment and assault, etc. Job decisions are at the whim and fancy of a few.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 15:31
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:Do you know how difficult it is to put a stop to this stuff?
I’ve been aware for a year that a senior executive at my company comes onto junior women on a regular basis. I’ve flagged it to management multiple times. A handful of them (both inside and outside the company) have complained.
The result? He’s been warned twice. Yet the behavior continues. Short of shaming him publicly via the internet, what else can be done?
Can you please shame him publicly on the internet and post the link here. You have to start some where. Otherwise you become complicit. Like that Affleck guy (just kidding), but still, post and shame.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 15:28
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Do you know how difficult it is to put a stop to this stuff?
I’ve been aware for a year that a senior executive at my company comes onto junior women on a regular basis. I’ve flagged it to management multiple times. A handful of them (both inside and outside the company) have complained.
The result? He’s been warned twice. Yet the behavior continues. Short of shaming him publicly via the internet, what else can be done?
I’ve been aware for a year that a senior executive at my company comes onto junior women on a regular basis. I’ve flagged it to management multiple times. A handful of them (both inside and outside the company) have complained.
The result? He’s been warned twice. Yet the behavior continues. Short of shaming him publicly via the internet, what else can be done?
Anonymous
10/12/2017 15:05
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Anonymous wrote:Mira Sorvino's oped in Time - a good read and inspiring message
http://time.com/4978659/mira-sorvino-harvey-weinstein-sexual-harassment/
There is a lot of victim blaming. If the people who have been sucked into the the vortex for whatever reason don't speak out, what would change, ever? So many posts above with the sort of jaded 'oh it happens every day.' I guess you must be okay with that. Slavery used to happen every day too, you know.
I guess what bothers me is that people are coming across as critical of various people who supposedly knew and said nothing. The only person to blame is Harvey Weinstein. Only Harvey and his victims really knew what went on for sure and I refuse to blame the victims....
Anonymous
10/12/2017 14:44
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Mira Sorvino's oped in Time - a good read and inspiring message
http://time.com/4978659/mira-sorvino-harvey-weinstein-sexual-harassment/
There is a lot of victim blaming. If the people who have been sucked into the the vortex for whatever reason don't speak out, what would change, ever? So many posts above with the sort of jaded 'oh it happens every day.' I guess you must be okay with that. Slavery used to happen every day too, you know.
http://time.com/4978659/mira-sorvino-harvey-weinstein-sexual-harassment/
There is a lot of victim blaming. If the people who have been sucked into the the vortex for whatever reason don't speak out, what would change, ever? So many posts above with the sort of jaded 'oh it happens every day.' I guess you must be okay with that. Slavery used to happen every day too, you know.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 14:19
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Seriously, is this news to you? The casting couch has been alive and well since the movies began. I just hope this is it for those insufferable tirades on awards shows, since everyone knows for certain where their mouths have really been.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 12:55
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
As if there aren't 1,000 "Harvey" execs doing exactly what he did RIGHT NOW. And actresses willing and eager to do as told for fame & fortune are ten a penny.