Anonymous
10/24/2017 06:22
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Well, it needs to be clear. From listening to the work session, Keys-Gamarra made it clear that it would be named for Justice Thurgood Marshall.
Also interesting, in the FOIA'd docs about changing the name, from the beginning this is what the "changers" wished--that it be named for Thurgood Marshall. They did not just want to get rid of the JEB Stuart name--they had a name in mind long before the community was advised that a name change was in the works. What was interesting was that neither of the SB members involved pointed out that there was already a "Marshall" high school. (At least, not at first.)
I graduated from a high school in another state that was named after a local superintendent. It included his initials in the name--say G.C. Marshall. NO one ever used the initials. It was always just the last name.
My point of view is that this whole thing is a mess.
Had I been on the SB, I would have just suggested--long ago--that they drop the JEB. They could have just passed some kind of resolution that they would call it Stuart High School. NO one would have cared. They could have recommended that as new uniforms, equipment, etc. was purchased, that the JEB be dropped. Over a few years, it would have been complete with NO additional cost.
Instead, they created an issue that has caused division in the school and community. They started a process that was divisive from the beginning--much of it because of the way it was presented and the attacks they made on people who named the school or those who preferred to keep the school name.
They set up a process, and, at almost every step, they moved the goal posts when they did not get the results they preferred. When the school community made it clear in surveys that they wanted to keep the name, the SB changed the steps. They put people from outside the community on the committee and there was no consensus. Because, the SB had already decided that there would be a change, the committee was a joke.
Then, the SB suggested that in the spirit of compromise, "Stuart" be considered. When "Stuart" got the most votes, the changers said--"that doesn't count". And, now, SB members who voted that "Stuart" be considered, have indicated that they will not support it.
This was a sham. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Just look at the documentation.
The sham was the school board suggesting that dropping JEB was a change. No one would assume it was any Stuart other than JEB Stuart. Maybe they finally realized that after two thirds of the vote went to something other than Stuart. The board needed to either say be aren't changing the name because of budget issues or we are changing the name, either option would have been fine. This disingenuous we're changing the name to Stuart was ridiculous.
Anonymous
10/24/2017 05:57
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
And, the dollars will mount. Just wait until other schools come into play.
Anonymous
10/24/2017 05:44
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Well, it needs to be clear. From listening to the work session, Keys-Gamarra made it clear that it would be named for Justice Thurgood Marshall.
Also interesting, in the FOIA'd docs about changing the name, from the beginning this is what the "changers" wished--that it be named for Thurgood Marshall. They did not just want to get rid of the JEB Stuart name--they had a name in mind long before the community was advised that a name change was in the works. What was interesting was that neither of the SB members involved pointed out that there was already a "Marshall" high school. (At least, not at first.)
I graduated from a high school in another state that was named after a local superintendent. It included his initials in the name--say G.C. Marshall. NO one ever used the initials. It was always just the last name.
My point of view is that this whole thing is a mess.
Had I been on the SB, I would have just suggested--long ago--that they drop the JEB. They could have just passed some kind of resolution that they would call it Stuart High School. NO one would have cared. They could have recommended that as new uniforms, equipment, etc. was purchased, that the JEB be dropped. Over a few years, it would have been complete with NO additional cost.
Instead, they created an issue that has caused division in the school and community. They started a process that was divisive from the beginning--much of it because of the way it was presented and the attacks they made on people who named the school or those who preferred to keep the school name.
They set up a process, and, at almost every step, they moved the goal posts when they did not get the results they preferred. When the school community made it clear in surveys that they wanted to keep the name, the SB changed the steps. They put people from outside the community on the committee and there was no consensus. Because, the SB had already decided that there would be a change, the committee was a joke.
Then, the SB suggested that in the spirit of compromise, "Stuart" be considered. When "Stuart" got the most votes, the changers said--"that doesn't count". And, now, SB members who voted that "Stuart" be considered, have indicated that they will not support it.
This was a sham. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Just look at the documentation.
Also interesting, in the FOIA'd docs about changing the name, from the beginning this is what the "changers" wished--that it be named for Thurgood Marshall. They did not just want to get rid of the JEB Stuart name--they had a name in mind long before the community was advised that a name change was in the works. What was interesting was that neither of the SB members involved pointed out that there was already a "Marshall" high school. (At least, not at first.)
I graduated from a high school in another state that was named after a local superintendent. It included his initials in the name--say G.C. Marshall. NO one ever used the initials. It was always just the last name.
My point of view is that this whole thing is a mess.
Had I been on the SB, I would have just suggested--long ago--that they drop the JEB. They could have just passed some kind of resolution that they would call it Stuart High School. NO one would have cared. They could have recommended that as new uniforms, equipment, etc. was purchased, that the JEB be dropped. Over a few years, it would have been complete with NO additional cost.
Instead, they created an issue that has caused division in the school and community. They started a process that was divisive from the beginning--much of it because of the way it was presented and the attacks they made on people who named the school or those who preferred to keep the school name.
They set up a process, and, at almost every step, they moved the goal posts when they did not get the results they preferred. When the school community made it clear in surveys that they wanted to keep the name, the SB changed the steps. They put people from outside the community on the committee and there was no consensus. Because, the SB had already decided that there would be a change, the committee was a joke.
Then, the SB suggested that in the spirit of compromise, "Stuart" be considered. When "Stuart" got the most votes, the changers said--"that doesn't count". And, now, SB members who voted that "Stuart" be considered, have indicated that they will not support it.
This was a sham. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Just look at the documentation.
Anonymous
10/23/2017 22:57
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:On the Board Docs, there appears to be a motion to name it "Justice HS" to recognize all those who fought for justice including Thurgood Marshall, Barbara Johns and Mr. Mendez.
I'm not sure if that is just one board member's motion or if that is where the conversation is going to go because they have coalesced around "Justice".
What was the point of the community voting?
Anonymous
10/23/2017 22:52
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
On the Board Docs, there appears to be a motion to name it "Justice HS" to recognize all those who fought for justice including Thurgood Marshall, Barbara Johns and Mr. Mendez.
I'm not sure if that is just one board member's motion or if that is where the conversation is going to go because they have coalesced around "Justice".
I'm not sure if that is just one board member's motion or if that is where the conversation is going to go because they have coalesced around "Justice".
Anonymous
10/23/2017 22:04
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are they really going to name it Justice? Will it be just Justice or Justice Marshall? If I were in Marshall High district, I would be ticked. Are they going to be called George High now?
If they name it Justice Thurgood Marshall HS, the current one will be called Marshall (no change), and the other will be called Justice for short. No need for confusion. Don't see why they'd start calling it George High.
If the name of the new school is Justice Marshall or Justice Thurgood Marshall, there WILL be confusion.[b] If the official name is "Justice" on paper and on signs, then maybe that's okay. But, if the signs say "Justice Marshall", it will be confusing and misleading. Bad idea.
I cannot believe they are going with this. Totally lacking in common sense.
Agreed.
While Thurgood Marshall absolutely should be honored whenever possible, giving his name to a second high school in the same school system where there's already a long-established "Marshall" HS isn't a good idea at all. The idea of calling the soon-to-be-former Stuart HS "Justice HS" instead is well-meant, but the school would end up being called "Marshall" by default by many people. That just sounds more natural to say than "Justice HS."
It's going to end up creating confusion when high schoolers have to do the million-and-one sign-ups they all do for testing, applications, many other things. I can picture many a kid and parent looking up the official code number for their HS -- yeah, they have to do that a lot in junior and senior years, to fill in forms online -- and clicking on "Marshall" without looking closely, and ending up with all their information being listed under "George C. Marshall" instead of "Justice Thurgood Marshall." Parents of juniors and seniors know what I'm talking about. It's just another way that confusion can creep in, and in ways that will actually create issues for students.
Maybe it would all settle in a few years and everyone would know Justice HS but it sounds like a recipe for confusion.
As for that earlier PP with the sarcastic idea that the Marshall in Falls Church would end up being called George HS -- Hey, don't give anyone any ideas they might take seriously....That would make people confuse it with George Mason HS down the road from the existing Marshall HS.
It's been George C. Marshall, referred to as Marshall, since 1962 and actually has a museum inside it about Marshall's life and work.
It would make sense to honor Mendez by naming the school for him -- according to the Post, he had kids who actually attended Stuart! He was an educator as well as a decorated war veteran, and with Stuart having a 54 percent Hispanic student body (Post article), naming the school for a Hispanic educator and veteran with a clear tie to the school seems logical and thoughtful.
Anonymous
10/23/2017 21:54
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are they really going to name it Justice? Will it be just Justice or Justice Marshall? If I were in Marshall High district, I would be ticked. Are they going to be called George High now?
If they name it Justice Thurgood Marshall HS, the current one will be called Marshall (no change), and the other will be called Justice for short. No need for confusion. Don't see why they'd start calling it George High.
If the name of the new school is Justice Marshall or Justice Thurgood Marshall, there WILL be confusion. If the official name is "Justice" on paper and on signs, then maybe that's okay. But, if the signs say "Justice Marshall", it will be confusing and misleading. Bad idea.
I cannot believe they are going with this. Totally lacking in common sense.
I actually would be perfectly happy with Peace Valley HS, but all the people who would be confused are the ones with no common sense. You really won't be able to tell the difference between a sign that says Justice Marshall and one that says George Marshall. Within no time everyone would get used to Marshall vs. Justice. Luckily the board is making a decision this Thursday and we can move on with whatever they choose. If it's Peace Valley, it will be fine, and if it's Justice Thurgood Marshall, that also will be fine....
Anonymous
10/23/2017 21:32
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are they really going to name it Justice? Will it be just Justice or Justice Marshall? If I were in Marshall High district, I would be ticked. Are they going to be called George High now?
If they name it Justice Thurgood Marshall HS, the current one will be called Marshall (no change), and the other will be called Justice for short. No need for confusion. Don't see why they'd start calling it George High.
If the name of the new school is Justice Marshall or Justice Thurgood Marshall, there WILL be confusion. If the official name is "Justice" on paper and on signs, then maybe that's okay. But, if the signs say "Justice Marshall", it will be confusing and misleading. Bad idea.
I cannot believe they are going with this. Totally lacking in common sense.
Anonymous
10/23/2017 21:11
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Are they really going to name it Justice? Will it be just Justice or Justice Marshall? If I were in Marshall High district, I would be ticked. Are they going to be called George High now?
If they name it Justice Thurgood Marshall HS, the current one will be called Marshall (no change), and the other will be called Justice for short. No need for confusion. Don't see why they'd start calling it George High.
Anonymous
10/23/2017 21:02
Subject: Re:New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Are they really going to name it Justice? Will it be just Justice or Justice Marshall? If I were in Marshall High district, I would be ticked. Are they going to be called George High now?
Anonymous
10/22/2017 21:19
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is why Trump won. You idiots think the loudest screaming social justice warriors are the majority. They are the crazy minority, no one cares.
So you're saying people voted for an idiot to run our country because they hate social justice warriors more than they love our country? Then that's on them. I think those clinging to confederate symbols are screaming quite loudly too. They are also a minority, but it doesn't stop them either. Anything that doesn't preserve the status quo is bad, according to people like you. Keep clinging, you'll bring the country down the other you.
* down with you.
Anonymous
10/22/2017 21:17
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:I would like to see Freddy Grey or Eric Brown High School.
Justice Marshall was member of the Supreme Court who was a longstanding member of our community. Please don't imply that the names proposed were somehow on par with those two names you've sarcastically suggested.
Anonymous
10/22/2017 21:16
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:This is why Trump won. You idiots think the loudest screaming social justice warriors are the majority. They are the crazy minority, no one cares.
F U, Trump idiot. No one cares what you think.
Anonymous
10/22/2017 21:10
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
Anonymous wrote:This is why Trump won. You idiots think the loudest screaming social justice warriors are the majority. They are the crazy minority, no one cares.
So you're saying people voted for an idiot to run our country because they hate social justice warriors more than they love our country? Then that's on them. I think those clinging to confederate symbols are screaming quite loudly too. They are also a minority, but it doesn't stop them either. Anything that doesn't preserve the status quo is bad, according to people like you. Keep clinging, you'll bring the country down the other you.
Anonymous
10/22/2017 20:56
Subject: New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote
I would like to see Freddy Grey or Eric Brown High School.