It was said for years, that NO ONE could have EVER fit through the basement window, they claimed someone came through...supposedly the blanket near JB was in the dryer, WHY in the world would a killer search around the house for a blanket...in the dryer??? Someone HAD to have KNOWN that a blanket was in the dryer.....and I am very interested in hearing the total 911 call....where the Ramseys thought the 911 call ended. The 911 operator was NEVER called for the trial, but will be on the new CBS Special.

Anonymous wrote:I don't see Patsy hitting her in the head hard enough to kill her. By all accounts, Patsy had never even spanked the kids before. The first time she lashes out she hits her in the head hard enough to kill her? I don;'t think so.

I think Burke hit her in the head in the kitchen while having pineapple, when she was sitting down. Then she slumped over and hit her face on the table. Patsy was either there and began the cover up alone, later involving her husband - OR

Patsy waited for JB to wake up, freaking out, JB began to seize or slipped into a coma and they thought she was dead - then the staging began OR

Burke dragged her downstairs, and decided to torture her a bit. This one feels too weird, I think.


Bottom line - I think Burke had to have done the bash to the head. I don't think either parent would have, its unlikely it was a pure accident - in that, the blow was intended to inflict pain, but the striker did not appreciate the risk - and neither parent would cover for the other. Both would perhaps cover for Burke. The strangling/sexual abuse/staging/ransom - that sounds like Patsy's flair for the dramatic pageantry. I think that is all her. And I think the husband just played a small part. I bet this is the conclusion this new TV investigation comes to.

I agree with many aspects of your theory but I thought that there was forensic evidence backing up the strangling/sexual assault. It was more than just Patsy's flair for drama.

I don't see Patsy hitting her in the head hard enough to kill her. By all accounts, Patsy had never even spanked the kids before. The first time she lashes out she hits her in the head hard enough to kill her? I don;'t think so.

I think Burke hit her in the head in the kitchen while having pineapple, when she was sitting down. Then she slumped over and hit her face on the table. Patsy was either there and began the cover up alone, later involving her husband - OR

Patsy waited for JB to wake up, freaking out, JB began to seize or slipped into a coma and they thought she was dead - then the staging began OR

Burke dragged her downstairs, and decided to torture her a bit. This one feels too weird, I think.


Bottom line - I think Burke had to have done the bash to the head. I don't think either parent would have, its unlikely it was a pure accident - in that, the blow was intended to inflict pain, but the striker did not appreciate the risk - and neither parent would cover for the other. Both would perhaps cover for Burke. The strangling/sexual abuse/staging/ransom - that sounds like Patsy's flair for the dramatic pageantry. I think that is all her. And I think the husband just played a small part. I bet this is the conclusion this new TV investigation comes to.

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have any American Dolls in our house so I'm not familiar with them. But I'm wondering if it's possible if JonBenet's doll could have been the item used to crack JonBenet's skull.

Maybe some grabbed that doll by its hair in anger and swung it down hard on JonBenet cracking her skull with its hard plastic leg.

Whatever happened to JonBenet's American Girl dolls?

I don't think they are hard enough to do that. The autopsy said it was a fatal blow and would have killed a full grown man. It had to be a Blunt object swinging down apparently from the angle and the injury. Could not have been a slip and fall and hit on the tub for example, which was my original theory. They are virtually certain it was the flashlight. Looks like that is going to be a big focus of the show. And all of the experts, forensics, fbi, investigators, and the grand jury - basically every person intimately familiar with the case other than one silly DA who was apparently very influenced by the family - concluded that the murder was done by a family member. The intruder theory is implausible.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how solid the doll leg was. I had dolls and stuffed animals as a kid and I remember what a shock it was to be tossing one of my squishy stuffed animals up in the air only to have a hard glass eye or plastic beak (whatever) land hard on my hand (ouch!). A doll swung in the manner I described with the hard plastic part hitting you on the head would hurt (and probably injure) but I don't know if the American Doll plastic legs are solid enough to do the kind of damage that was done to JonBenet.

If it was the flashlight, Patsy had probably gone downstairs to retrieve some items (luggage, presents, etc) for the trip and when she got back upstairs maybe JonBenet aggravated her and a stressed out Patsy lashed out.

Patsy said at one point that she had retrieved the flashlight to get a suitcase but I don't think she ever admitted leaving it in the kitchen. The other weird thing they are goign to get into on the new show is that the parents said the son, Burke, was asleep the whole time and they had him pretend to be asleep when the cops call. But apparently you can hear him on the 911 call after they think they hung up - he says, well, what did you find? and they say: we aren't talkign to you. Then they got him out of there right away. That seems odd - wouldn't you be demanding of your kid if they heard anything, etc.??? esp. considering JB apparently went to sleep in his room at times? But, how much could he really have known with them sending him away? He was only 9, no way they trusted him. It sort of seems like they did not want him to be there when the body was "discovered."

I guess a parent waking up and discovering that one child had been kidnapped might call some good, trusted friends to take their other child to safety, somewhere away from the scene of the kidnapping. The one thing that doesn't make sense is that they didn't wake Burke up right away to see if he had heard or seen anything and just to make absolutely certain that he was o.k.

In fact, the first thing I would think that a parent would do would be to run into their children's rooms to see if they were and physically o.k.

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, why would he go on the Dr. Phil Show? Seems to me if you are actually guilty you wouldn't put yourself out there to be scrutinized, and by all people, Dr. Phil!

They apparently share a lawyer, and there is a new documentary coming out like the OJ Simpson one, but this one focuses on solving the case, on CBS - tons of very credible people on it put together the evidence including the former lead investigator on the case who wrote the book theorizing that Burke did it and explaining why. From the preview it looks like that is the conclusion the show comes to. So, damage control.

If Burke did it, why would he go on the Dr. Phil Show? Seems to me if you are actually guilty you wouldn't put yourself out there to be scrutinized, and by all people, Dr. Phil!

Also, Burke had "accidentally" hit JB in the face once causing a serious injury with a golf club, about three years prior.

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have any American Dolls in our house so I'm not familiar with them. But I'm wondering if it's possible if JonBenet's doll could have been the item used to crack JonBenet's skull.

Maybe some grabbed that doll by its hair in anger and swung it down hard on JonBenet cracking her skull with its hard plastic leg.

Whatever happened to JonBenet's American Girl dolls?

I don't think they are hard enough to do that. The autopsy said it was a fatal blow and would have killed a full grown man. It had to be a Blunt object swinging down apparently from the angle and the injury. Could not have been a slip and fall and hit on the tub for example, which was my original theory. They are virtually certain it was the flashlight. Looks like that is going to be a big focus of the show. And all of the experts, forensics, fbi, investigators, and the grand jury - basically every person intimately familiar with the case other than one silly DA who was apparently very influenced by the family - concluded that the murder was done by a family member. The intruder theory is implausible.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how solid the doll leg was. I had dolls and stuffed animals as a kid and I remember what a shock it was to be tossing one of my squishy stuffed animals up in the air only to have a hard glass eye or plastic beak (whatever) land hard on my hand (ouch!). A doll swung in the manner I described with the hard plastic part hitting you on the head would hurt (and probably injure) but I don't know if the American Doll plastic legs are solid enough to do the kind of damage that was done to JonBenet.

If it was the flashlight, Patsy had probably gone downstairs to retrieve some items (luggage, presents, etc) for the trip and when she got back upstairs maybe JonBenet aggravated her and a stressed out Patsy lashed out.

Patsy said at one point that she had retrieved the flashlight to get a suitcase but I don't think she ever admitted leaving it in the kitchen. The other weird thing they are goign to get into on the new show is that the parents said the son, Burke, was asleep the whole time and they had him pretend to be asleep when the cops call. But apparently you can hear him on the 911 call after they think they hung up - he says, well, what did you find? and they say: we aren't talkign to you. Then they got him out of there right away. That seems odd - wouldn't you be demanding of your kid if they heard anything, etc.??? esp. considering JB apparently went to sleep in his room at times? But, how much could he really have known with them sending him away? He was only 9, no way they trusted him. It sort of seems like they did not want him to be there when the body was "discovered."

Or the son could have been playing with the flashlight, swinging it around, etc. I could see an older brother annoying his sister by "almost" hitting her with something, which could turn into an actual hard hit if he misjudged the distance or she moved, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have any American Dolls in our house so I'm not familiar with them. But I'm wondering if it's possible if JonBenet's doll could have been the item used to crack JonBenet's skull.

Maybe some grabbed that doll by its hair in anger and swung it down hard on JonBenet cracking her skull with its hard plastic leg.

Whatever happened to JonBenet's American Girl dolls?

I don't think they are hard enough to do that. The autopsy said it was a fatal blow and would have killed a full grown man. It had to be a Blunt object swinging down apparently from the angle and the injury. Could not have been a slip and fall and hit on the tub for example, which was my original theory. They are virtually certain it was the flashlight. Looks like that is going to be a big focus of the show. And all of the experts, forensics, fbi, investigators, and the grand jury - basically every person intimately familiar with the case other than one silly DA who was apparently very influenced by the family - concluded that the murder was done by a family member. The intruder theory is implausible.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how solid the doll leg was. I had dolls and stuffed animals as a kid and I remember what a shock it was to be tossing one of my squishy stuffed animals up in the air only to have a hard glass eye or plastic beak (whatever) land hard on my hand (ouch!). A doll swung in the manner I described with the hard plastic part hitting you on the head would hurt (and probably injure) but I don't know if the American Doll plastic legs are solid enough to do the kind of damage that was done to JonBenet.

If it was the flashlight, Patsy had probably gone downstairs to retrieve some items (luggage, presents, etc) for the trip and when she got back upstairs maybe JonBenet aggravated her and a stressed out Patsy lashed out.

And as for the intruder theory - there really is no getting around the fact that Patsy wrote that note. The drama, the length, the familiarity and concern with the parents - that is all Patsy. I also found all of the evidence that she avoided writing after the murder odd.

Anonymous wrote:New theory - JB gets up in the middle of the night on her own. She drags a chair to the kitchen counter to get a bowl or whatever for her pineapple. Patsy thinks she hears an intruder, she knocks out the intruder with a flashlight, later realizing it's JB. She starts the cover-up.

I know it's kind of far fetched.

No, its not that bad. I always have a hard time thinking that Patsy was in the room if Burke did it? If that is the case, as some people have thought and which seems like this new show concludes, then they had hours to stage the body/the crime/figure out what to do. So wouldn't they have done a better job? If she was killed at around 2 am they think, I guess there were four hour til the 911 call. I mean, first putting aside the idea that I would be capable of staging the murder of my child - can you even imagine the nightmare of that night? Just frantically running around trying to decide what to do? And why on earth would her husband agree to cover? I don't get that part. The reason this case has remained such a mystery is because the evidence just does not fit together in any way that makes sense. There are problems with every theory.

New theory - JB gets up in the middle of the night on her own. She drags a chair to the kitchen counter to get a bowl or whatever for her pineapple. Patsy thinks she hears an intruder, she knocks out the intruder with a flashlight, later realizing it's JB. She starts the cover-up.

I know it's kind of far fetched.

Anonymous wrote:We don't have any American Dolls in our house so I'm not familiar with them. But I'm wondering if it's possible if JonBenet's doll could have been the item used to crack JonBenet's skull.

Maybe some grabbed that doll by its hair in anger and swung it down hard on JonBenet cracking her skull with its hard plastic leg.

Whatever happened to JonBenet's American Girl dolls?

I don't think they are hard enough to do that. The autopsy said it was a fatal blow and would have killed a full grown man. It had to be a Blunt object swinging down apparently from the angle and the injury. Could not have been a slip and fall and hit on the tub for example, which was my original theory. They are virtually certain it was the flashlight. Looks like that is going to be a big focus of the show. And all of the experts, forensics, fbi, investigators, and the grand jury - basically every person intimately familiar with the case other than one silly DA who was apparently very influenced by the family - concluded that the murder was done by a family member. The intruder theory is implausible.

The whole story is sick. These parents who literally WHORE out their children - making them look like miniature adults - are sick in the head.

That poor child became a victim at birth. abusive parenting