Anonymous
Post 08/14/2016 06:46     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
I feel for the DH in this scene. He grew up in a highly religious family, left the faith and married another religious person but, in a different faith. DH basically married his Mom and the Op will most likely become the MIL when she is grandmom. Her lack of flexibility is just like the MIL. Both believe they are right and no one is going to bend. Feel sorry for the kids unless they remain Jewish and marry a Jew as well.

Anything less than that will be unsatisfactory in the Mom's eyes. ( yes,I know she wrote she wouldn't care if they married non-Jews but anyone can see that she would care...a lot.)
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2016 06:38     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's put a new spin on this. You are Muslim and raising your kids in Islamic faith. Your MIL decided to sent your kids to Bible camp? Would Muslim Dad like that? Or, you are Jewish and there is a Muslim camp that is close and affordable, would you be ok with that, or vice versa? So what is the answer, would you Christian moms send your kids to Muslim day school or Quran camp?


It's not the religion. It's the meddling.

well, it was the mothers choice to get a week of free child care for 24h 7 days a week so she could have a 10 year anniversary child free.
This is not meddling, it is more a break for grandma. Perhaps the decision to use her was not thoroughly discussed. You should ask the person and make sure she gets a chance to voice her concerns first
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 22:01     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has a right to be upset. Jewish kids do not belong at vbs (and yes, those kids are Jewish because the mom is Jewish). On that same note, Christian kids should not be sent to a Jewish camp. Why on earth would they want to go anyway????


You really can't see the difference?


What difference. There are reform, conservative and orthodox Jewish camps. Even the most reform camps are kosher, sing hebrew songs and teach about the bible. So no, I do not see a difference. and for the record. I am Jewish and I get it. So many of the posters on this thread simply do not get it.


Christians believe that if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, you're going to hell. Do you really not see the difference between going to a camp with that underlying message in their religion and one in which you can't eat certain things and say a blessing before you eat?


I do not believe this and I'm a Christian.
No 1. Commandment: love your neighbor as yourself. All others are secondary.

Actually, commandment #1 is "You shall have no other gods before Me."
"Love thy neighbor" isn't even on the list.


Matthew 22;34-40

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 21:57     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Anonymous wrote:Let's put a new spin on this. You are Muslim and raising your kids in Islamic faith. Your MIL decided to sent your kids to Bible camp? Would Muslim Dad like that? Or, you are Jewish and there is a Muslim camp that is close and affordable, would you be ok with that, or vice versa? So what is the answer, would you Christian moms send your kids to Muslim day school or Quran camp?


It's not the religion. It's the meddling.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 21:36     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Let's put a new spin on this. You are Muslim and raising your kids in Islamic faith. Your MIL decided to sent your kids to Bible camp? Would Muslim Dad like that? Or, you are Jewish and there is a Muslim camp that is close and affordable, would you be ok with that, or vice versa? So what is the answer, would you Christian moms send your kids to Muslim day school or Quran camp?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 17:57     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has a right to be upset. Jewish kids do not belong at vbs (and yes, those kids are Jewish because the mom is Jewish). On that same note, Christian kids should not be sent to a Jewish camp. Why on earth would they want to go anyway????


You really can't see the difference?


What difference. There are reform, conservative and orthodox Jewish camps. Even the most reform camps are kosher, sing hebrew songs and teach about the bible. So no, I do not see a difference. and for the record. I am Jewish and I get it. So many of the posters on this thread simply do not get it.


Christians believe that if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, you're going to hell. Do you really not see the difference between going to a camp with that underlying message in their religion and one in which you can't eat certain things and say a blessing before you eat?


I do not believe this and I'm a Christian.
No 1. Commandment: love your neighbor as yourself. All others are secondary.

Actually, commandment #1 is "You shall have no other gods before Me."

You obviously haven't read scripture. Love your neighbor is repeatedly given as the chief commandment to Christians and equated with "you shall have no other Gods. "
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 17:39     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has a right to be upset. Jewish kids do not belong at vbs (and yes, those kids are Jewish because the mom is Jewish). On that same note, Christian kids should not be sent to a Jewish camp. Why on earth would they want to go anyway????


You really can't see the difference?


What difference. There are reform, conservative and orthodox Jewish camps. Even the most reform camps are kosher, sing hebrew songs and teach about the bible. So no, I do not see a difference. and for the record. I am Jewish and I get it. So many of the posters on this thread simply do not get it.


Christians believe that if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, you're going to hell. Do you really not see the difference between going to a camp with that underlying message in their religion and one in which you can't eat certain things and say a blessing before you eat?


I do not believe this and I'm a Christian.
No 1. Commandment: love your neighbor as yourself. All others are secondary.

Actually, commandment #1 is "You shall have no other gods before Me."
"Love thy neighbor" isn't even on the list.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 17:35     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has a right to be upset. Jewish kids do not belong at vbs (and yes, those kids are Jewish because the mom is Jewish). On that same note, Christian kids should not be sent to a Jewish camp. Why on earth would they want to go anyway????


You really can't see the difference?


What difference. There are reform, conservative and orthodox Jewish camps. Even the most reform camps are kosher, sing hebrew songs and teach about the bible. So no, I do not see a difference. and for the record. I am Jewish and I get it. So many of the posters on this thread simply do not get it.


Christians believe that if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, you're going to hell. Do you really not see the difference between going to a camp with that underlying message in their religion and one in which you can't eat certain things and say a blessing before you eat?


I do not believe this and I'm a Christian.
No 1. Commandment: love your neighbor as yourself. All others are secondary.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 11:51     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
On Jewish v Christian camps: Since Jews don't proselytize, I have a hard time picturing any Jewish camp that would come anywhere close to what they do at Vacation Bible Schools sometimes. However, I can picture a non-Jewish kid feeling quite left out of a Jewish camp, unless the camp was expressly mixed and nonsecular (like a JCC). At VBS a Jewish kid probably wouldn't feel left out in the same way, but they might well be told they are going to Hell! However, there are definitely more secular Christian camps. Even my Catholic girls' camp limited the religious instruction to mass once a week and saying the rosary before swimming, lol. Catholics tend to be fairly tolerant of other children's religious backgrounds.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 11:42     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish but not at all religious and this thread is just sickening. If all you anti-semites on here read some post about a Christian's MIL signing her grandkids up for athiesm camp behind their parents' backs, you'd be appalled


I grew up Christian/Episcopalian but am an atheist and am likewise appalled.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 10:58     Subject: Re:MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has a right to be upset. Jewish kids do not belong at vbs (and yes, those kids are Jewish because the mom is Jewish). On that same note, Christian kids should not be sent to a Jewish camp. Why on earth would they want to go anyway????


You really can't see the difference?


What difference. There are reform, conservative and orthodox Jewish camps. Even the most reform camps are kosher, sing hebrew songs and teach about the bible. So no, I do not see a difference. and for the record. I am Jewish and I get it. So many of the posters on this thread simply do not get it.


Christians believe that if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, you're going to hell. Do you really not see the difference between going to a camp with that underlying message in their religion and one in which you can't eat certain things and say a blessing before you eat?


Your response to my post proves that you don't know anything about Judaism either. It's not just saying prayers before meals and after meals. It's an entire mindset that is woven throughout your entire day it's about how you live and your being. So yes it is just like going to the case and Bible school and having that shoved in your face.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2016 10:43     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
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Anonymous wrote:My in laws agreed months ago to take our 6 and 8 year old for the next week while my husband get a week of vacation to celebrate our 10th anniversary. Long-standing issue that I am Jewish and we are raising our children Jewish, husband is totally onboard and has made that clear to his folks many times. So we call about dropping them off tonight and MIL casually mentions she signed them up for half day Bible camp at her church all week! I was speechless, literally handed the phone to DH and walked away. I think we need to cancel the trip tonight, I can't imagine how she thought this was ok. Where do I even go from here?


Curious what type of marriage you have that your DH was OK with your unilaterally imposing your religion on your religion on your kids and not allowing them to participate in his and his family's cultural traditions. I'd be pretty upset if I were him.


Uh, maybe the type where he isn't particularly religious but the OP is so he didn't mind raising the kids in her faith because it's important to her? Agreeing to something ahead of time does not equal "unilaterally imposing." At this point, I think the trolls are just crawling all over this post. I'm not usually one to use the phrase "willfully obtuse" on DCUM, but come on.

It is imposing. Obviously the man is not religious, agreeing the kids can be raised jewish, does not mean you can shove religion into everything all the time
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2016 22:57     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Anonymous wrote:I am allowed to fuck outside my religion but my kids can't go to camp outside my religion.

Sounds reasonable.


Now that is the definition of willfully obtuse.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2016 21:43     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish but not at all religious and this thread is just sickening. If all you anti-semites on here read some post about a Christian's MIL signing her grandkids up for athiesm camp behind their parents' backs, you'd be appalled
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2016 20:30     Subject: MIL trying to send MY Jewish kids to Bible camp!
I am allowed to fuck outside my religion but my kids can't go to camp outside my religion.

Sounds reasonable.