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Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

I am a caucasian and I truly get what you are saying, no one judges me on the color of my skin. I fully appreciate that I do not know what it is like to be AA, nor will I have any idea what it is like. I say this with all sincerity and no snark, I am very sorry that you have experienced racism of any kind and wish that we could eradicate all instances.

I am also a realist and having grown up in the south, I found that yelling at a prejudiced person that their views were racist (which is the tact I have in my youth) did not have any effect except anger the other person. As I got older I learned to engage the person and question their statement. Sometimes their beliefs were deeply racist but often expressing shock or asking them to explain when they meant, got them to open up and change their perspective. I know it is easier for a white person to do this than a person of color that but the key to change is to approach it gently and with intelligence.

The problem with the girl at Yale is her foul language, rude demeanor and overly assertive body language. You don't have a screaming, cursing girl who was insulting a person who had committed a racist act, all the Master did was propose a different way of approaching someone in a hypothetical situation. A person like this does more to damage a cause than bring attention to it, and honestly she sounds more like a spoiled brat than a crusader for justice.

I am the 48 YO AA who posted above. I'm not condoning the Yale student's behavior at all - she was way out of line in how she expressed herself - she was basically having a breakdown so I actually feel sorry for her. But by focusing on one person's behavior the overall points are missed. For many AA's my age who went to similar schools - we can recount similar stories and experiences. It's shocking that folks can be so dismissive of it and what is more shocking is that things have not really progressed at all. My heart really breaks over this. It actually makes me afraid for my high school-aged daughters. They have been raised in a welcoming, integrated community in DC - have never been called the N-word or faced any type of discrimination or bigotry from white friends, teachers or others. I've done the best I can to prepare them but I would be out of my mind if they had to encounter racism/discrimination/racist name-calling in college.

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Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

I am a caucasian and I truly get what you are saying, no one judges me on the color of my skin. I fully appreciate that I do not know what it is like to be AA, nor will I have any idea what it is like. I say this with all sincerity and no snark, I am very sorry that you have experienced racism of any kind and wish that we could eradicate all instances.

I am also a realist and having grown up in the south, I found that yelling at a prejudiced person that their views were racist (which is the tact I have in my youth) did not have any effect except anger the other person. As I got older I learned to engage the person and question their statement. Sometimes their beliefs were deeply racist but often expressing shock or asking them to explain when they meant, got them to open up and change their perspective. I know it is easier for a white person to do this than a person of color that but the key to change is to approach it gently and with intelligence.

The problem with the girl at Yale is her foul language, rude demeanor and overly assertive body language. You don't have a screaming, cursing girl who was insulting a person who had committed a racist act, all the Master did was propose a different way of approaching someone in a hypothetical situation. A person like this does more to damage a cause than bring attention to it, and honestly she sounds more like a spoiled brat than a crusader for justice.

You would be wrong. You must be blinded by your entitlement and white privilege.

To the AAs here:

How do you know that all of these micro-aggressions are due to your race? There have been many times when people have treated me poorly, for no apparent reason. If I was AA, I feel that I would be tempted to constantly assume that they were doing it because of my race.

In my personal life, I almost never hear white people saying racist things in private, but AAs seem to be under the impression that white people are constantly saying racist things when they are not around. I grew up in the South and very rarely heard anything blatantly racist -- again, even when no minorities were around.

I don't dispute that some cops are being abusive towards AAs, and that AAs occasionally face discrimination. And I sympathize with the BlackLivesMatter movement. But I also feel that many AAs *vastly* overestimate the amount of racism directed toward them, in modern times, and constantly project racist intentions onto people.

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Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

Removing from a college campus any trace of a white person whose views don't fit your PC agenda is OK, but put a piece of tape on a picture of a black teacher and it's a serious hate crime that calls for a federal investigation? Shove your microaggressions up your ass. AAs are NOT the only ones who have to deal with them!

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Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

I am a caucasian and I truly get what you are saying, no one judges me on the color of my skin. I fully appreciate that I do not know what it is like to be AA, nor will I have any idea what it is like. I say this with all sincerity and no snark, I am very sorry that you have experienced racism of any kind and wish that we could eradicate all instances.

I am also a realist and having grown up in the south, I found that yelling at a prejudiced person that their views were racist (which is the tact I have in my youth) did not have any effect except anger the other person. As I got older I learned to engage the person and question their statement. Sometimes their beliefs were deeply racist but often expressing shock or asking them to explain when they meant, got them to open up and change their perspective. I know it is easier for a white person to do this than a person of color that but the key to change is to approach it gently and with intelligence.

The problem with the girl at Yale is her foul language, rude demeanor and overly assertive body language. You don't have a screaming, cursing girl who was insulting a person who had committed a racist act, all the Master did was propose a different way of approaching someone in a hypothetical situation. A person like this does more to damage a cause than bring attention to it, and honestly she sounds more like a spoiled brat than a crusader for justice.

Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

Parents of current and future students: I hope you're following this closely. And don't let your kid become *that kid*. I saw this shitstorm coming years ago when I was finishing undergrad. It was only a matter of time before someone like screamer girl stole the show and put the joke that is modern higher ed in the limelight.

I work with teens and out of a group of 20 girls, there are always three or four parents that come up to me with the most inane requests. Larla, Larlita and Larlarena always find and hang out with each other, the PITA girls have the same PITA parents.

PITA parent: "My daughter does not want to sit next to Betty"
Me: "There is no assigned seating. She can sit somewhere else. Has Betty done anything to her?"
PITA parent: "Betty has done nothing. Larla wants to sit up front"
Me: "I really don't know what I can do"
PITA parent: "Can you move Betty to the back?"
Me: "Do you think that would be fair to Betty? She really has done nothing to Larla"
PITA parent: "My daughter does not want to sit next to Betty"


Me: "Today we will..."
PITA kid: "I want a snack"
Me: "We don't have snacks here, please don't interrupt, Okay, today we will..."
PITA kid: calls me by my first name, "I went shopping this weekend"
Me: "Please don't call me by my first name or interrupt, today we will.."
PITA kid: "what are we doing today?"
Me: talking to the class "Girls what is like to sit here waiting to hear what we are doing today"

The other girls comment on how they are tired of waiting and interruptions take time out of the fun activities. It is evident the other kids are annoyed.

PITA parent: "Larla is having problems fitting into the group, she feels like the other girls don't like her.
Me: "Larla interrupts a lot and tries to dominate when they break into small groups, it causes problems"
PITA parent: "Larla is very independent and strong willed, we believe it is a strength, she's a natural leader!"
Me: "My daugher is ADD, she has many of the same issues but we have worked hard to help her develop self control so she can be more aware in social settings."
PITA parent: "We tell Larla she should be herself and everyone should just love her for who she is!"
Me: "That's a great philosophy but social dynamics require compromise and restraint"
PITA parent: "we don't raise Larla that way"
Me: "I don't know what I can do for you"

In response to a request for parent volunteers (this really happened). BTW I am personally for stricter gun control.

PITA parent: " I want to address the group on gun control"
Me: "we don't discuss political or sexual issues, different families could have different viewpoints and we don't promote any one viewpoint"
PITA parent: "I know you have worked for stricter gun control and every parent believes in it"
Me: "I know some of the parents personally and know that is not true, even if it was it is not allowed"
PITA parent: getting angry "then they are wrong and it is our responsibility to educate their kids!!! Who are they?"
Me: "That is private and the topic is inappropriate"
PITA parent: stomps off mad and Larla is openly hostile and disrespectful to me afterwards.

PITA parent: "Larla feels like she is being bullied"
Me: "I have not heard any bullying, what does Larla say is happening"
PITA parent: "She says the other girls are mean and bully her "
Me: "She primarily spends all her time with Larlita and Larlarena how is she being bullied"
PITA parent: "the others don't invite her to their houses or birthday parties, can you talk to them about not excluding her"
Me: "not really, if it is happening in here I can talk to them but otherwise no."

PITA parent: "Larla doesn't feel safe"
Me: "why does she not feel safe"
PITA parent: "she doesn't like it when you break her up from Larlita and Larlarena and place them in different groups"
Me: "I break up all friends, is something happening in group work, because we do monitor them closely"
PITA parent: "Nothing is happening, Larla doesn't feel safe without her friends"
Me: "it's a big part of this program to learn to work with others"
PITA parent: "Can you keep Larla with her friends"

It goes on and on, the PITA kids do not have food allergies, but they only like a very limited selection of foods, certain activities or discussions. They try to dominate everything and constantly complain to the other girls.

These PITA parents have the rudest, most narcissistic teens. The kids have very little self control and even less social awareness. These kids get angry if their idea is not chosen or if things do not go their way. They treat their parents like they are pieces of shit unless they want something. I know their hovering parents will send them to a Liberal Arts College and micromanage their college career and they will turn out exactly like the PP described above

I actually am glad to have kids like this in my groups, the other teens see then as a pain, and have to learn how to deal with them. I would not be surprised to see one of the PITA kids yelling obscenities at a professor in a couple of years and as equally unsurprised to see their PITA parent defend their horrible behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but micro-aggressions based on race are different because they are not just normal person-to-person interactions, they are part of a much bigger societal picture.
BTW,black kids who make it to an IVY have very thick skins -- they have learned to put up with these attitudes from a very young age. From K my son was a target of "jokes" because he was a book worm and spoke with a large vocabulary. I agree that if someone is just giving you a bad time because of clashing personalities you should just deal with it. My kid at HYP deserves to feel safe and to be listened to, just like any white rich kid.

In my experience it is the other AA kids giving the smart AA kids a hard time, not the whites.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but micro-aggressions based on race are different because they are not just normal person-to-person interactions, they are part of a much bigger societal picture.
BTW,black kids who make it to an IVY have very thick skins -- they have learned to put up with these attitudes from a very young age. From K my son was a target of "jokes" because he was a book worm and spoke with a large vocabulary. I agree that if someone is just giving you a bad time because of clashing personalities you should just deal with it. My kid at HYP deserves to feel safe and to be listened to, just like any white rich kid.

Yeah, because smart white kids, smart Asian kids, (fill in the blank) are never target of "jokes" because they are a book worm or speak with a large vocabulary. Good grief.

Yes, but micro-aggressions based on race are different because they are not just normal person-to-person interactions, they are part of a much bigger societal picture.
BTW,black kids who make it to an IVY have very thick skins -- they have learned to put up with these attitudes from a very young age. From K my son was a target of "jokes" because he was a book worm and spoke with a large vocabulary. I agree that if someone is just giving you a bad time because of clashing personalities you should just deal with it. My kid at HYP deserves to feel safe and to be listened to, just like any white rich kid.

^^^We all experience "micro aggressions" every day. We simply do not let them define us. Wholly crap, grow a backbone.

This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

Anonymous wrote:I have always been a liberal and have lived in many places which were predominately conservative, I spent a lot of time around people who held one opinion and did not view anyone else's opinion as valid. I thought I had found the promised land when we moved to DC. I could not have been more wrong.

The liberals here are incredibly closed minded, they have only one viewpoint and little respect for anyone outside of their narrow liberal view. It really is groupthink at its worst. I've had friends that were Republican, here people make accusations of someone being a Republican behind their back, akin to being a child molester. I can respect someone that does not share my viewpoint.

You want to know where this generation of college students is coming from? Look around, just look around, and you will see where the liberal intolerance comes from. The coddling that goes on around here with the kids is UNBELIEVEABLE. Kids are micromanaged to the point of imbecility, no wonder they get to college want to be independent but have a horrible time of it. Parents here will not correct their child or any one else's in public for fear of embarrassing their child, they are afraid of crushing their egos and are creating monsters.

I would say that Yalie with the horrible manners could very easily have come out of this area because that kind of tantrum behavior is not controlled at an early age. When I first saw that child screaming I knew she was a child of liberal privilege. Having been around all levels of social classes, I have seen manners and the concept of appreciation enforced more strongly on the lower SEC kids than on the untouchable higher SEC kids.

+100. As a young professional who attended an elite school not far from DC and currently living and working in the District I couldn't agree more. I've had several roommates, colleagues and classmates who fit this mold and I find myself deeply unimpressed with many people from such "elite" backgrounds with incredibly poor social skills, low EQ, and a lack of empathy and self awareness. Too many of the highly educated and credentialed people I know can't find their way out of a wet paper bag or think outside their ultra PC neoliberal box. Mention that you support basic gun rights or slightly stricter immigration laws, or that whites aren't the only race that can be racist, to these types and they'll turn their nose up and look at you like you ran over their puppy.

Worse yet is the fact that the mentality is so commonplace that too few 20somethings I know have the self awareness to realize how thin skinned and out of touch their ideas are. I'm sure you can imagine how these brats function in the workplace; I've even had two post-college roommates in a shared house who exploded and panicked whenever someone dared criticize them or put them in their place for being selfish and awful (i.e. you have no business moving your boyfriend in against our will, get the hell out). The idea of compromise was so foreign to them. They can't imagine a world outside their own and to me that's the antithesis of being truly learned and enlightened.

Parents of current and future students: I hope you're following this closely. And don't let your kid become *that kid*. I saw this shitstorm coming years ago when I was finishing undergrad. It was only a matter of time before someone like screamer girl stole the show and put the joke that is modern higher ed in the limelight.

I have always been a liberal and have lived in many places which were predominately conservative, I spent a lot of time around people who held one opinion and did not view anyone else's opinion as valid. I thought I had found the promised land when we moved to DC. I could not have been more wrong.

The liberals here are incredibly closed minded, they have only one viewpoint and little respect for anyone outside of their narrow liberal view. It really is groupthink at its worst. I've had friends that were Republican, here people make accusations of someone being a Republican behind their back, akin to being a child molester. I can respect someone that does not share my viewpoint.

You want to know where this generation of college students is coming from? Look around, just look around, and you will see where the liberal intolerance comes from. The coddling that goes on around here with the kids is UNBELIEVEABLE. Kids are micromanaged to the point of imbecility, no wonder they get to college want to be independent but have a horrible time of it. Parents here will not correct their child or any one else's in public for fear of embarrassing their child, they are afraid of crushing their egos and are creating monsters.

I would say that Yalie with the horrible manners could very easily have come out of this area because that kind of tantrum behavior is not controlled at an early age. When I first saw that child screaming I knew she was a child of liberal privilege. Having been around all levels of social classes, I have seen manners and the concept of appreciation enforced more strongly on the lower SEC kids than on the untouchable higher SEC kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking News: Looks like the students got most of what they demanded - http://www.boston.com/news/education/2015/11/17/yale-president-responds-student-demands/zOJkcdZKtIFEyZCym0xZxM/story.html

Not really, and some of these things would have happened without Shreiking Yale Girl screaming "fuck" at the Silliman master, whom Yale did not agree to replace. So the spoiled little brats can mull that over for a while.

Forget replace, they should make the Silliman master -- or his wife -- president of Yale. They seem more thoughtful and have more of a backbone than the incumbent.

One of the student demands apparently was to drop the title 'master' from the college administration. No doubt the students on their past will agree never to pursue "masters degrees."

P.S. Shrieking Yale Girl is quite clearly one silly woman at Sillman.