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Anonymous wrote:I thought the story in this most recent episode about Dana serving as a SANE to the rape survivor was riveting. I'm a rape survivor and worked for a time on a crisis hotline for sexual violence. The actress who played Ilana was phenomenal and the writing of that storyline was obviously very well researched. I'm not sure I've ever seen that situation portrayed as accurately and honestly as that.

I also love how that story was paired with the scenes in the last episode where Dana cleaned Louie's body. In both situations, she brought the new nurse, Emma, along and narrated what she was doing, and why. These are activities nurses do but few people talk about. People think about nurses taking your BP, administering meds, assisting doctors. But this -- a nurse wiping the blood and fluids off a man who just died and is unlikely to be claimed by loved ones, walking a rape victim through evidence gathering -- people don't think about this. And this is set against the backdrop of Dana being assaulted last season and saying she was done, and then returning to work. You're thinking about why she came back, and also why she wanted to quit. And you're looking at Emma who is on the far other end of a nursing career and thinking about what is ahead of her too.

Also Emma saying "let's go find the good snacks" to Ilana.

If this is "slow" or "disjointed" or "not enough happening" for you, you are entitled to your opinion. But I think that's very compelling storytelling, about people and events that don't ever get told with this much factual accuracy or tenderness.

Did you find the way they were talking to her to be condescending? I realize it was supposed to be super compassionate but I just wondered.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us just like the show well enough to overlook a little inconsistency like whether a law library would be open at that hour on that day. It's not critical to my enjoyment if the show, and hounding it to death seems pointless.

Don't yuck our yum, in other words. If you don't like the show, don't watch.

This is how I feel too. I truly don’t care if the writers on a fictional show didn’t verify the exact hours of the library at the university they referenced. The harping on exact hours is pedantic and not relevant to the story they’re trying to tell about this character.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

No one said it was the law library. Or even that he was at the law library. There are other libraries.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Whocares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

which is why I've mentioned it 5 times in this thread and respond with smack down to any pp who disagrees

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us just like the show well enough to overlook a little inconsistency like whether a law library would be open at that hour on that day. It's not critical to my enjoyment if the show, and hounding it to death seems pointless.

Don't yuck our yum, in other words. If you don't like the show, don't watch.

This is how I feel too. I truly don’t care if the writers on a fictional show didn’t verify the exact hours of the library at the university they referenced. The harping on exact hours is pedantic and not relevant to the story they’re trying to tell about this character.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Whocares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

Anonymous wrote:I think some of us just like the show well enough to overlook a little inconsistency like whether a law library would be open at that hour on that day. It's not critical to my enjoyment if the show, and hounding it to death seems pointless.

Don't yuck our yum, in other words. If you don't like the show, don't watch.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

👏🏽👏🏽 I love this take.

+1. Thank you — Her reaction to the baby stuck in my mind and this is a good explanation.

+2 This is awesome. So cool that PP had this background knowledge. I love this take so much, I'll be kinda disappointed if it's not it!