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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

It doesn’t take a diploma or a high IQ to see that that children are expensive and limit work options and you shouldn't have them with no plan. Birth control is free.

If you finish high school, become employed, and get married before becoming a parent there is over a 90% chance that child will not be born into poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

Limited freezer space. Why do you insist on acting like you have all the answers and people actually living this day to day just are too dumb to figure it out?

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the poster who does not understand obesity, food desserts, diabetes, or poverty in America.

I’m sorry you are so ill informed and have bought the line that poor people just can’t afford heathy food and they have no choice but to be overweight and eat processed stuff. Please look up some research on why food deserts exist and what happens when more affordable fresh foods are added into these areas (spoiler: it doesn’t change much)

https://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132076786/the-root-the-myth-of-the-food-desert

Why do you honestly believe that these people are so different from you and so beneath you? They are acting in predictable and expected ways based on their circumstances. And you would act exactly the same way in the same circumstances. If we want different outcomes for these folks, we need to change their circumstances. No amount of shame or punishment or whatever other "solutions" conservatives want to offer are going to make a difference if you don't change the circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps it's all part of a plan...

They round up, imprison and deport a significant portion of the low-wage workers in the country.

Then they cut off food benefits for low-income citizens.

hmmm... maybe they are hoping that more poor people will take jobs like picking tomatoes in Florida or slaughtering cattle in Iowa???? Drop the age for working in dangerous jobs --- and presto --- the 14 yr olds can work in meat processing factories instead of going to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

WTH?

Washington DC has to do something to live your life correctly?

Just go, will ya?

Why are you so angry?

You are arguing that people who live below the poverty line should be making applesauce instead of buying chips. Presumably this is the MAGA policy position. So how is the Republican Party advancing this desired goal?

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

WTH?

Washington DC has to do something to live your life correctly?

Just go, will ya?

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?

WTH?

Washington DC has to do something to live your life correctly?

Just go, will ya?

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Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?