Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Considering the cost, convenience, overall user experience and sheer number of Tesla on the road, I have to agree that thread sounds largely like a group of people trying to tear Elon down. Unlikeable CEO? Yes. Wildly fluctuating stock price? Absolutely. But the product itself is so great that it has made me feel like all other cars and car-buying experiences are operating in the Stone Age. We leased with no money down, so if the company tanks, I'll just give the car back and move on. For now, I'm planning to replace my non-Tesla with another Tesla, because the proof is in the pudding.

That's your choice. I'm waiting for the far cheaper EVs to flood the market. Your Tesla will go the way of the Atari 800.

They aren't going to flood the market. Only very few "righteous" AND loaded libs will sell their Teslas to buy other EVs. And no way conservatives warming up to EV market are going to buy foreign made EVs and not Teslas. You are dreaming. They will be around, but they won't "flood". I am sitting on the sidelines, but will look at it as a buying opportunity when the time comes. Right now it's too volatile for me to invest because of politically unstable situation with regards to this specific stock. It will depend on when terrorizing of Tesla owners and potential buyers will end. Once it ends, I think stock will go up.

Where are these unicorns?

If you keep telling a certain segment of the population that climate change is a myth,.they are going to believe it.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t recall an entrepreneur so obsessed with their stock price that they would ask POTUS to hold a sales rally on the lawn of the WH or the Commerce Secretary to shill on Fox. What’s going on? After all, doesn’t Musk have a zillion dollars? If so, why is he concerned about several 10s of billions? Turns out, there’s a bunch of reasons:

1) Musk has used Tesla stock to get loans for his lifestyle and many of his other companies. As the stock price falls, the stock collateral could become insufficient to support the loans, requiring the loans to be called or Musk to provide more capital.

2) Musk is paid in equity by Tesla. However, to unlock that equity, he must meet various metrics, one potentially being a certain level of stock performance.

3) If Tesla wants to heavily invest in new technologies or expand work in existing ones, it might need more capital. The higher the stock price, the more efficiently it can raise capital without diluting existing shareholders.

4) Then there’s the grab bag of issues, like Musk’s identity/ego, morale/retention of workers, etc.

In sum, Musk must be pretty desperate to trot out high profile pitchman for his stock. Heck, he even held a town hall where he told employees to hold their stock.

Is it just me or are others sensing that Musk might be on the cusp of genuine financial trouble - maybe a house of cards? Is selling his stock the ultimate form of protest?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t recall an entrepreneur so obsessed with their stock price that they would ask POTUS to hold a sales rally on the lawn of the WH or the Commerce Secretary to shill on Fox. What’s going on? After all, doesn’t Musk have a zillion dollars? If so, why is he concerned about several 10s of billions? Turns out, there’s a bunch of reasons:

1) Musk has used Tesla stock to get loans for his lifestyle and many of his other companies. As the stock price falls, the stock collateral could become insufficient to support the loans, requiring the loans to be called or Musk to provide more capital.

2) Musk is paid in equity by Tesla. However, to unlock that equity, he must meet various metrics, one potentially being a certain level of stock performance.

3) If Tesla wants to heavily invest in new technologies or expand work in existing ones, it might need more capital. The higher the stock price, the more efficiently it can raise capital without diluting existing shareholders.

4) Then there’s the grab bag of issues, like Musk’s identity/ego, morale/retention of workers, etc.

In sum, Musk must be pretty desperate to trot out high profile pitchman for his stock. Heck, he even held a town hall where he told employees to hold their stock.

Is it just me or are others sensing that Musk might be on the cusp of genuine financial trouble - maybe a house of cards? Is selling his stock the ultimate form of protest?

From your mouth to the Almighty’s ears.

Anonymous wrote:I think he went all in for trump because he knew he was going to jail otherwise. Some seriously murky shit going on, I suspect.

What is done in the dark shall be brought to the light…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Considering the cost, convenience, overall user experience and sheer number of Tesla on the road, I have to agree that thread sounds largely like a group of people trying to tear Elon down. Unlikeable CEO? Yes. Wildly fluctuating stock price? Absolutely. But the product itself is so great that it has made me feel like all other cars and car-buying experiences are operating in the Stone Age. We leased with no money down, so if the company tanks, I'll just give the car back and move on. For now, I'm planning to replace my non-Tesla with another Tesla, because the proof is in the pudding.

That's your choice. I'm waiting for the far cheaper EVs to flood the market. Your Tesla will go the way of the Atari 800.

They aren't going to flood the market. Only very few "righteous" AND loaded libs will sell their Teslas to buy other EVs. And no way conservatives warming up to EV market are going to buy foreign made EVs and not Teslas. You are dreaming. They will be around, but they won't "flood". I am sitting on the sidelines, but will look at it as a buying opportunity when the time comes. Right now it's too volatile for me to invest because of politically unstable situation with regards to this specific stock. It will depend on when terrorizing of Tesla owners and potential buyers will end. Once it ends, I think stock will go up.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t recall an entrepreneur so obsessed with their stock price that they would ask POTUS to hold a sales rally on the lawn of the WH or the Commerce Secretary to shill on Fox. What’s going on? After all, doesn’t Musk have a zillion dollars? If so, why is he concerned about several 10s of billions? Turns out, there’s a bunch of reasons:

1) Musk has used Tesla stock to get loans for his lifestyle and many of his other companies. As the stock price falls, the stock collateral could become insufficient to support the loans, requiring the loans to be called or Musk to provide more capital.

2) Musk is paid in equity by Tesla. However, to unlock that equity, he must meet various metrics, one potentially being a certain level of stock performance.

3) If Tesla wants to heavily invest in new technologies or expand work in existing ones, it might need more capital. The higher the stock price, the more efficiently it can raise capital without diluting existing shareholders.

4) Then there’s the grab bag of issues, like Musk’s identity/ego, morale/retention of workers, etc.

In sum, Musk must be pretty desperate to trot out high profile pitchman for his stock. Heck, he even held a town hall where he told employees to hold their stock.

Is it just me or are others sensing that Musk might be on the cusp of genuine financial trouble - maybe a house of cards? Is selling his stock the ultimate form of protest?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Considering the cost, convenience, overall user experience and sheer number of Tesla on the road, I have to agree that thread sounds largely like a group of people trying to tear Elon down. Unlikeable CEO? Yes. Wildly fluctuating stock price? Absolutely. But the product itself is so great that it has made me feel like all other cars and car-buying experiences are operating in the Stone Age. We leased with no money down, so if the company tanks, I'll just give the car back and move on. For now, I'm planning to replace my non-Tesla with another Tesla, because the proof is in the pudding.

That's your choice. I'm waiting for the far cheaper EVs to flood the market. Your Tesla will go the way of the Atari 800.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, I must be a bot, not a normal human mom who hates buying cars, hates dealing with cars, and found a car that actually makes my life easier, less expensive and more enjoyable.

Recognizing this unfortunate reality doesn't fit your narrative, maybe just don't buy the stock?

Just a mom who wants to drive the most dangerous car brand on the road?

There is seriously no need to exaggerate. Just don't buy the stock if you don't like the CEO. https://electrek.co/2024/02/27/tesla-model-y-2024-scores-near-perfect-iihs-crash-tests/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, I must be a bot, not a normal human mom who hates buying cars, hates dealing with cars, and found a car that actually makes my life easier, less expensive and more enjoyable.

Recognizing this unfortunate reality doesn't fit your narrative, maybe just don't buy the stock?

It's your choice if you want to drive such an unsafe car. But anyway, the topic is Tesla stock. And yes, it's a terrible investment. The company is not long-term viable.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t recall an entrepreneur so obsessed with their stock price that they would ask POTUS to hold a sales rally on the lawn of the WH or the Commerce Secretary to shill on Fox. What’s going on? After all, doesn’t Musk have a zillion dollars? If so, why is he concerned about several 10s of billions? Turns out, there’s a bunch of reasons:

1) Musk has used Tesla stock to get loans for his lifestyle and many of his other companies. As the stock price falls, the stock collateral could become insufficient to support the loans, requiring the loans to be called or Musk to provide more capital.

2) Musk is paid in equity by Tesla. However, to unlock that equity, he must meet various metrics, one potentially being a certain level of stock performance.

3) If Tesla wants to heavily invest in new technologies or expand work in existing ones, it might need more capital. The higher the stock price, the more efficiently it can raise capital without diluting existing shareholders.

4) Then there’s the grab bag of issues, like Musk’s identity/ego, morale/retention of workers, etc.

In sum, Musk must be pretty desperate to trot out high profile pitchman for his stock. Heck, he even held a town hall where he told employees to hold their stock.

Is it just me or are others sensing that Musk might be on the cusp of genuine financial trouble - maybe a house of cards? Is selling his stock the ultimate form of protest?