Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 12:18     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:Most of my family voted for Trump though last time they voted for Biden. He was that bad, Harris was horrible. They voted for the better candidate, it's that simple.


In what way?
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 12:13     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have enough money to weather the recession that will cause poor people to become even poorer and most of MAGA other than the Uber rich to suffer. I am banking on him just keeping one of his many promises for this outcome to occur.


What you’re saying is you’re a Trump supporter because you and yours will benefit. Forget about the mythical people who will suffer, they vote for sport, if they vote. Things getting worse won’t change their loyalty, it won’t change yours. Sure you voted dem, but you weren’t in a swing state you knee you’d get the benefit of Trump all the same.


DP I do not think there will be these huge benefits with Trump. He has only promised to raise taxes, round up migrants(legal and illegal) and deregulate everything. Trump has no tax cut plan. I do not know where people are getting that a huge tax cut is coming. In a deregulated stock market the retail investors are the mark. If the markets burn down like in 2008 there will not be a bailout. Could you imagine Trump dealing with a market crash like 2008? I just know if I feel pain(which I think is going to happen) the vast majority will feel a lot more pain.

I just do not care about them. I do not feel a part of this country anymore. I certainly do not care if Trump bust doors down in Miami to drag out the 1 in 4 illegals in living in there. They voted for it. I do not want money going for hurricane relief or any federal spending in red states. The Republicans want to destroy the federal government and end the transfer of wealth around the country. Do it. There was a reason Appalachia was poor and not developed. There are reason people did not build on the coast. There are reasons why you need locks on the Mississippi.

This “oh everything is going to be great with markets” is herd mentality. We have been on a long run. People think the markets can only go up. A correction is due. Trump is going disrupt the world’s economy which is based in free trade. Taxing Canada and Mexico equals thousands of jobs loses within a few weeks and increased prices. The commercial property market are in a slow motion crash and it’s all highly leveraged.

Look at this little gem.


Republicans reportedly ready to cut Medicaid funding to pay for Trump plans
House and Senate Republicans float ideas to pay for Trump’s immigration crackdown and to fund tax cuts

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/23/republicans-medicaid-funding-trump

There will be a lot of pain coming and it is not on me to make things less painful. Specially for the people who are going out of their way to give me the finger.


This is very well put.

Mostly I think people with money will weather this better. But it will be a crisis for sure and it will be ugly.

Trump and MAGA are so clueless about how the global economy works that it is painful to watch. And isolationism has never served our economy and standard of living well.

Biden oversaw incredible economic growth over the last few years that allowed Americans the luxury to sit back and worry about a minuscule number of transgender athletes. Biden had the United States positioned to be an economic behemoth in the green economy, which is coming as sure as the combustible engine did a century ago. Trump is destroying it out of spite.

None of us will benefit from this but MAGA apparently doesn’t want to listen to experts and would prefer to learn it personally.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 12:01     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
We have ruined America for tax cuts for the wealthy.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 11:43     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have enough money to weather the recession that will cause poor people to become even poorer and most of MAGA other than the Uber rich to suffer. I am banking on him just keeping one of his many promises for this outcome to occur.


What you’re saying is you’re a Trump supporter because you and yours will benefit. Forget about the mythical people who will suffer, they vote for sport, if they vote. Things getting worse won’t change their loyalty, it won’t change yours. Sure you voted dem, but you weren’t in a swing state you knee you’d get the benefit of Trump all the same.


DP I do not think there will be these huge benefits with Trump. He has only promised to raise taxes, round up migrants(legal and illegal) and deregulate everything. Trump has no tax cut plan. I do not know where people are getting that a huge tax cut is coming. In a deregulated stock market the retail investors are the mark. If the markets burn down like in 2008 there will not be a bailout. Could you imagine Trump dealing with a market crash like 2008? I just know if I feel pain(which I think is going to happen) the vast majority will feel a lot more pain.

I just do not care about them. I do not feel a part of this country anymore. I certainly do not care if Trump bust doors down in Miami to drag out the 1 in 4 illegals in living in there. They voted for it. I do not want money going for hurricane relief or any federal spending in red states. The Republicans want to destroy the federal government and end the transfer of wealth around the country. Do it. There was a reason Appalachia was poor and not developed. There are reason people did not build on the coast. There are reasons why you need locks on the Mississippi.

This “oh everything is going to be great with markets” is herd mentality. We have been on a long run. People think the markets can only go up. A correction is due. Trump is going disrupt the world’s economy which is based in free trade. Taxing Canada and Mexico equals thousands of jobs loses within a few weeks and increased prices. The commercial property market are in a slow motion crash and it’s all highly leveraged.

Look at this little gem.


Republicans reportedly ready to cut Medicaid funding to pay for Trump plans
House and Senate Republicans float ideas to pay for Trump’s immigration crackdown and to fund tax cuts

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/23/republicans-medicaid-funding-trump

There will be a lot of pain coming and it is not on me to make things less painful. Specially for the people who are going out of their way to give me the finger.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:43     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:What do you think people without a lot of money think about when they hear you guys crow about how you have enough money to be fine? I promise that it doesn’t make anyone see your side or want to align with you. What happened to Democratic support for the working class? That is the key lesson of this election and it seems like some of you are missing the point.


I think they will realize we know we are beat. They won. Most of those people without a lot of money voted for Trump. I did not. But I will accept and live as best I can with what they decided we will do.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:27     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:Most of my family voted for Trump though last time they voted for Biden. He was that bad, Harris was horrible. They voted for the better candidate, it's that simple.


Well, the proof will be in the (price of) pudding. The 2028 election will be about the economy (as it always is).
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:23     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:What do you think people without a lot of money think about when they hear you guys crow about how you have enough money to be fine? I promise that it doesn’t make anyone see your side or want to align with you. What happened to Democratic support for the working class? That is the key lesson of this election and it seems like some of you are missing the point.


NP. When the country elects* a petty, vengeful tyrant intent on creating chaos and dividing to conquer, you are going to get that. Let’s be real here, the majority of Trump voters were gleeful to “stick it to the libs,” who were in fact talking about how to help the middle class. You can rewatch Harris campaign speeches if you’ve forgotten.

The US president has never had a kind word to say about anyone and has consistently berated POC, LGBTQ, liberals, the disabled, and women. To want a downright mean person, who withholds aid to disaster areas, who cannot express empathy for people in natural disasters or sick with COVID, or to kids who have witnessed gun violence, you reap what you sow.

If anything, it’s time for Trump voters to go on an apology tour. Maybe they will when unemployment skyrockets and the price of goods goes up, and citizens are dying of preventable diseases because they can’t afford drugs and healthcare.

However, I agree that those with $$ are overconfident. People lost everything in WWII. Soldiers took over large homes. I don’t think it will come to that, but it certainly could.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:08     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have enough money to weather the recession that will cause poor people to become even poorer and most of MAGA other than the Uber rich to suffer. I am banking on him just keeping one of his many promises for this outcome to occur.


What you’re saying is you’re a Trump supporter because you and yours will benefit. Forget about the mythical people who will suffer, they vote for sport, if they vote. Things getting worse won’t change their loyalty, it won’t change yours. Sure you voted dem, but you weren’t in a swing state you knee you’d get the benefit of Trump all the same.

Benefit? My daughter having no bodily autonomy? More $$ doesn't make me care less about my rights as a human.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:04     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:Most of my family voted for Trump though last time they voted for Biden. He was that bad, Harris was horrible. They voted for the better candidate, it's that simple.


Excellent. That's all that matters. The cost of drugs and groceries rising will just be necessary sacrifices.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:01     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Most of my family voted for Trump though last time they voted for Biden. He was that bad, Harris was horrible. They voted for the better candidate, it's that simple.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 09:00     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have enough money to weather the recession that will cause poor people to become even poorer and most of MAGA other than the Uber rich to suffer. I am banking on him just keeping one of his many promises for this outcome to occur.


What you’re saying is you’re a Trump supporter because you and yours will benefit. Forget about the mythical people who will suffer, they vote for sport, if they vote. Things getting worse won’t change their loyalty, it won’t change yours. Sure you voted dem, but you weren’t in a swing state you knee you’d get the benefit of Trump all the same.


I am not going to get any benefit from Trump. I will merely survive him better than other people.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 08:51     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat (a moderate one), voted for Harris, and I guess fall into this category? I’m tired of watching the news and getting worked up about what he’s doing, and with Republicans in charge of the federal government there’s nothing to do so I’m just checking out.

On a personal level, I am fine. I’m a lawyer (in a regulatory practice, so my clients will benefit from this administration’s policies) and make enough money that if prices go up because of tariffs it won’t change much for me, will benefit from tax cuts, have the political insulation of living in a blue city in blue state, can leave the country if I need an abortion, etc.

America voted for this and I am fine with people experiencing exactly what they voted for. So in that sense I hope Trump accomplishes what he said he would do.



This is what OP is talking about.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 08:45     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:What do you think people without a lot of money think about when they hear you guys crow about how you have enough money to be fine? I promise that it doesn’t make anyone see your side or want to align with you. What happened to Democratic support for the working class? That is the key lesson of this election and it seems like some of you are missing the point.

If the working class believed that their leaders solutions would help them, that's on them. Democratic policies helped them allot more than what's coming. Since the vast majority of people can't see past their nose the only way they will see they are wrong is when it adversely impacts them personally bring it on.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 08:43     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have enough money to weather the recession that will cause poor people to become even poorer and most of MAGA other than the Uber rich to suffer. I am banking on him just keeping one of his many promises for this outcome to occur.


What you’re saying is you’re a Trump supporter because you and yours will benefit. Forget about the mythical people who will suffer, they vote for sport, if they vote. Things getting worse won’t change their loyalty, it won’t change yours. Sure you voted dem, but you weren’t in a swing state you knee you’d get the benefit of Trump all the same.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2025 08:42     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:What do you think people without a lot of money think about when they hear you guys crow about how you have enough money to be fine? I promise that it doesn’t make anyone see your side or want to align with you. What happened to Democratic support for the working class? That is the key lesson of this election and it seems like some of you are missing the point.


It is what it is. The working class will see for themselves whether Trump's policies economically help them. Then they'll decide again in 2026 and 2028. Let's see what he has in store.