Anonymous wrote:These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

Ha! Like Trump voters are ever content. That is a good description of Trump voters. Never content. So they buy their guns and plan their overthrow of the government. Or at least of the school board.

I'd rather deal with social justice people who at least at their heart are trying to do something good for someone even if I think they are ham-handed about it sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.

Out of curiosity, what realities were you avoiding?

The actual state of the presidential race, for one.

The reality that around half the voters in this country prefer hateful rhetoric and scapegoating from a self-professed authoritarian wannabe to any discussion of hard work to find real solutions to real problems.

These social justice issues have become a part of peoples identity. No matter how much things improve or how little evidence there is to support their position, they will never give up on their pet project.

It's like there is a void in their life and this is just how they fill it. I have older relatives who still ramble on about how women make 50% less than men based upon some BS study from 40 years ago. These people are never content and it's just sad.

I would stop litmus-testing women and try to win their votes. It’s like the Dems don’t even want the votes of women who may be personally anti-abortion while politically more open—or women who want to stay at home with children. I know many women like this here in the dmv. We voted for Harris b it our counterparts elsewhere didn’t.

It reminds me of when the women’s march kicked out Israeli feminists. Make your tent bigger, not smaller. Check your luxury beliefs. Acknowledge lower-middle class women’s economic realities and their fears about their children’s economic realities. And for the love of god stop telling moms of boys that “the future is female.” Women have sons and partners they love.

Run someone like Nikki Haley or Tulsi Gabbard and you will win. Continue to put up unlikeable candidates and you will continue to lose.

Anonymous wrote:I voted Democrat.

I don't trust The Donald or JD Vance.

I don't like trans women athletes competing in women's sports. I don't like open borders. I don't like endless wars.

However I also look at facts. It took women way too long, much too long, to earn rights. The minute I see even one of those rights rolled back, all bets are off.

Quite frankly, trans agenda is also attempting to roll back women’s rights. Women’s spaces are not segregated by gender identity; they are segregated by sex.

Women can’t win with either party currently.

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I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.

If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?

It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.

What? This isn’t 1950. Why wouldn’t she have credit in her name? I’m a SAHM and I’ve had credit in my name since I was 18 years old. I also have my own retirement account, my own car (title is in my name), a driver’s license, and friends and family I could turn to in a crisis.

The majority of women aren’t “trapped” in their marriages. The majority of men are not violent abusers, and I don’t have the statistics on this but I am guessing the violent abusers will be that way regardless of their wives working status.

+1 Weird that in her mind all husbands are violent abusers just simmering under the surface. Just admit that you just don't like women who choose other lives than you would.

Secretly, these type of people want to feel validated in their own choices and want to feel that the long hours and corporate BS are all worth it. They need to denigrate SAHM's to achieve this, otherwise they are fools who chose poorly. If SAHM's are equally and validated and venerated as them for the choices they make, they can't live with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.

Out of curiosity, what realities were you avoiding?

The actual state of the presidential race, for one.

We as women can't combat misogyny when we refuse to acknowledge it ourselves.

I voted Democrat.

I don't trust The Donald or JD Vance.

I don't like trans women athletes competing in women's sports. I don't like open borders. I don't like endless wars.

However I also look at facts. It took women way too long, much too long, to earn rights. The minute I see even one of those rights rolled back, all bets are off.

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I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.

If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?

It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.

What? This isn’t 1950. Why wouldn’t she have credit in her name? I’m a SAHM and I’ve had credit in my name since I was 18 years old. I also have my own retirement account, my own car (title is in my name), a driver’s license, and friends and family I could turn to in a crisis.

The majority of women aren’t “trapped” in their marriages. The majority of men are not violent abusers, and I don’t have the statistics on this but I am guessing the violent abusers will be that way regardless of their wives working status.

+1 Weird that in her mind all husbands are violent abusers just simmering under the surface. Just admit that you just don't like women who choose other lives than you would.

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I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.

If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?

It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.

What? This isn’t 1950. Why wouldn’t she have credit in her name? I’m a SAHM and I’ve had credit in my name since I was 18 years old. I also have my own retirement account, my own car (title is in my name), a driver’s license, and friends and family I could turn to in a crisis.

The majority of women aren’t “trapped” in their marriages. The majority of men are not violent abusers, and I don’t have the statistics on this but I am guessing the violent abusers will be that way regardless of their wives working status.

You voted for the party that struck down Row V. Wade. Make America Great Again doesn't stop there. It means there will be no more no fault divorce, no more woman's right to open her own bank account, no more woman sign her own mortgage, hold down a job, vote. MAGA wants to dial it way back.

LOL? Did I? What on Earth makes you think that?

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I agree a lot of it exposes the inequalities a lot of these parents have bought into in their own lives. It seems like a lot of people are very feminist and egalitarian up until they get married and then a lot of the men expect to be taken care of and waited on at home and the women are fine with it as long as they get a big glittery ring and a nice house and don't get hassled too much about their spending. It's really something to see. Boys who grow up in that environment develop some very retrograde attitudes about gender (as to the girls) regardless of their parents' declared politics.

If the women are happy with their glittery rings and taking care of their home and family, why is it a problem?

It's not a problem.

More power to them.

The problem is when the picture perfect husband becomes a violent abuser. The wife no longer has a no fault divorce. She no longer has credit in her name. She can no longer leave. She is trapped.

What? This isn’t 1950. Why wouldn’t she have credit in her name? I’m a SAHM and I’ve had credit in my name since I was 18 years old. I also have my own retirement account, my own car (title is in my name), a driver’s license, and friends and family I could turn to in a crisis.

The majority of women aren’t “trapped” in their marriages. The majority of men are not violent abusers, and I don’t have the statistics on this but I am guessing the violent abusers will be that way regardless of their wives working status.

You voted for the party that struck down Row V. Wade. Make America Great Again doesn't stop there. It means there will be no more no fault divorce, no more woman's right to open her own bank account, no more woman sign her own mortgage, hold down a job, vote. MAGA wants to dial it way back.

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.

Out of curiosity, what realities were you avoiding?

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think this thread raises a lot of things to think about.

As a Dem voter I am just processing. I’m sick of screaming and flinging insults around. I used to think the other side lived in some echo chamber bubble but after this I can see clearly that I was avoiding some realities.

Also feel like we've ALL been living in two separate echo chambers.