Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:59     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Definitely too late. Be so wary of any scrambling to fix a major problem that these fools apparently did not even see coming. How is it even possible that they did not think this through earlier for these patients?

Move on from these lunatics and get some pro choice people in power that with protect IVF and abortion and other medical necessities for people that need them. And pro choice policies respect people that don't choose to get any of these procedures as well.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:50     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Too late. And this pro-choice Democrat candidate is going to flip an Alabama house seat on March 26th.
https://www.marilynlands.com/
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:48     Subject: Re:IVF embryos are people too
Can't even move their embryos out of state...
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:44     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:Weak says you. This nonsense has lost in election after election after election. Put representation in power that will put protection for women's rights into law.

I think we can all agree: good people don’t vote for the GOP. They’ve shown themselves to be amoral, selfish ghouls who will lie and twist and hide behind “I’m just joking! I’d never make rape legal… unless a guy really really needs to have sex and she’s asking for it. But that’s totally different and I’m joking. Can’t you take a joke?”
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:34     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
That entire decision was heavily premised on God and religion. Apparently those judges forgot the whole freedom of religion thing.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:34     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.


I agree. Here is more on what they’re scrambling to do.

https://www.al.com/news/2024/02/alabama-bill-would-protect-ivf-treatments-after-courts-frozen-embryo-ruling.html

I read the decision and one of the arguments the plaintiffs made, that the Alabama Supreme Court declared they weren’t deciding on because they felt they didn’t need to based on what they did decide on (and rendered the point then mute) was not classifying embryos outside of a uterus as children while classifying interuterine ones as people would be a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. So that idea is now out there.

If the Alabama state legislature passes, making an affirmative distinction, will someone push this issues again?

yes, can a pro-birther explain to us why a frozen embryo is not a life but an embryo in a girl/woman's uterus is?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:33     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

+1 why is an embryo in a woman a life but not if it's in a petri dish?

Clearly, this is purely about trying to control a woman's body.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:32     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.


I agree. Here is more on what they’re scrambling to do.

https://www.al.com/news/2024/02/alabama-bill-would-protect-ivf-treatments-after-courts-frozen-embryo-ruling.html

I read the decision and one of the arguments the plaintiffs made, that the Alabama Supreme Court declared they weren’t deciding on because they felt they didn’t need to based on what they did decide on (and rendered the point then mute) was not classifying embryos outside of a uterus as children while classifying interuterine ones as people would be a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. So that idea is now out there.

If the Alabama state legislature passes, making an affirmative distinction, will someone push this issues again?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:31     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Weak says you. This nonsense has lost in election after election after election. Put representation in power that will put protection for women's rights into law.


Your anger comes from guilt.

The people who should be feeling guilt are the ones who would sacrifice the wellbeing — and perhaps the LIFE —of an already existing, fully developed, sentient, living woman in an attempt to save the *potential* for a fetus to become a living, sentient person.


+1
Amanda Zurawski, the woman from Texas who developed septic shock and very nearly died due to inability to get a timely abortion, has moved her frozen embryos to another state.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/woman-suing-texas-abortion-ban-plans-move-embryos-state-rcna140134
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:27     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
I just can’t reconcile the dissonance of “embryos are people” and “Trump is our guy.”

Make it make sense.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:19     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Weak says you. This nonsense has lost in election after election after election. Put representation in power that will put protection for women's rights into law.


Your anger comes from guilt.

The people who should be feeling guilt are the ones who would sacrifice the wellbeing — and perhaps the LIFE —of an already existing, fully developed, sentient, living woman in an attempt to save the *potential* for a fetus to become a living, sentient person.


Well, the fetus *could* be male, and I may be in a position to profit from the sale of it to one of my barren but faithful church members, so that’s a sacrifice I’m fine with you making.

-Christofacists
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:15     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.

Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 11:59     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:I hate to say I told you so, but thus begins the end of IVF....

https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343d203a-b13d-463a-8176-c46e3ae4f695/docketentrydocuments/e3d95592-3cbe-4384-afa6-063d4595aa1d

It really does not make any sense to prize zygotes in-utero and not outside of the uterus.


Are they tax deductions? If not, then they are not children and I would bet IRS would deny an embryo as a child.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 11:57     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Weak says you. This nonsense has lost in election after election after election. Put representation in power that will put protection for women's rights into law.


Your anger comes from guilt.

The people who should be feeling guilt are the ones who would sacrifice the wellbeing — and perhaps the LIFE —of an already existing, fully developed, sentient, living woman in an attempt to save the *potential* for a fetus to become a living, sentient person.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 11:40     Subject: IVF embryos are people too
Anonymous wrote:CNN reporting the Alabama legislature is preparing a bill to proclaim a frozen embryo is not a person to protect IVF.

This is going to get even more complicated.


Problem is the court decision rested in large part on the Alabama constitution.