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Anonymous wrote:Unlike most of you here, I'm a big country music fan. For me, Beyonce doesn't have the voice to pull off country. I want to hear the pathos! When Dolly sings "Jolene," I can hear how this woman is truly begging Jolene to not take her man. That emotion is what makes that song a classic. Beyonce's Jolene is just a parody of a classic. It could never stand on its own.

+1. The way Dolly shows the true insecurity of a woman who feels like she is nothing but ordinary is what country music does so well. I feel the same about classic blues. People singing about ordinary lives, in a way that you know you've had that same feeling, and giving it some dignity.

Exactly. Which is why Beyonce will never capture the feeling of country. She thinks she is the best thing in the world. Her arrogance (and her sour grapes) knows no bounds.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

There is a gag on her. She only does interviews via email for the past 10 years . There’s a reason she stopped speaking off the cuff and has her mother or husband do interviews for her . The New York Times even wrote about this questioning why Beyonce is seen but not heard .

Compared to other popstars like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna ,she never does interviews . The only other star who doesn’t is Britney Spears.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/fashion/beyonce-is-seen-but-not-heard.html

She used to say silly and insulting things that were ok when she was in her 20’s but are not so becoming now that she’s in her 40’s and social media exists and is a satire beast. Beyoncé is talented and she is very pretty
, but she just isn’t all there socially or developmentally and it shows when she is interviewed.

I see not doing interviews as a smart move. If you don’t need the promos why do them? Anything you say can be misconstrued, so it is brilliant if you have proxies do them for you. Yiu still have the fame and money, but you keep your private life private and don’t have to stress about the press.

Anonymous wrote:Wow. I read that interview completely different than PP. She was saying that Deena/Diana was hemmed in because eof her status as a black woman and did what she had to do to get out. Unlike Bey who always had her privilege to fall back on. I see nothing insulting there, just an acknowledgement of how tough the situation was.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

There is a gag on her. She only does interviews via email for the past 10 years . There’s a reason she stopped speaking off the cuff and has her mother or husband do interviews for her . The New York Times even wrote about this questioning why Beyonce is seen but not heard .

Compared to other popstars like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna ,she never does interviews . The only other star who doesn’t is Britney Spears.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/20/fashion/beyonce-is-seen-but-not-heard.html

She used to say silly and insulting things that were ok when she was in her 20’s but are not so becoming now that she’s in her 40’s and social media exists and is a satire beast. Beyoncé is talented and she is very pretty
, but she just isn’t all there socially or developmentally and it shows when she is interviewed.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Beyonce owns her own record label, Parkwood Entertainment. She has a a collaborating distributor like Columbia/Sony for her albums, HBO for Lemonade, Netflix for Homecoming, and Walt Disney for Black is King. She owns her masters. She's had the same publicists for 27 years. Nobody is keeping a gag on her.

Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

Anonymous wrote:Beyonce fans, I think you would be more upset that her husband and her label and her PR people keep a gag on her. They dress her up and push her out to perform when an album drops, and then she disappears again. I'd rather she go out and make sometimes dumb statements if she were allowed to be herself again.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

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Like I said: Beyoncé didn’t grow up under tough circumstances. By her own words, she was privileged. Everything is an act. She has been raised with an over abundance of arrogance that makes her offputting.

It’s very telling that they aren’t universally adored the way you would expect them to be.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

I missed her insulting DR. Running to find that interview. How nasty

She said it multiple times during her promo for the movie Dreamgirls. I don’t think she even realized she was being insulting . That’s how dumb she is.

She didn’t get an actress’ job is to understand, empathize, embody; and identify with the character not marginalize them.

The hilarious thing now is many people would say she is the one that is now living that movies script, being controlled by a music exec husband.

“Deena Jones” was based on Diana Ross. The movie Dreamgirls is loosely based off the Supremes and Motown.

http://www.blackfilm.com/20061208/features/beyonceknowles.shtml



To what extent do you relate to this character?

Beyoncé Knowles: I definitely can relate to the drive and focus Deena had, especially at a young age and of course I'm in a group, will always be in a group because we're sisters, and became a solo artist but really the parallels stop there. I was so excited about the character because I thought she had the biggest growth. She started out really plain and silly and naïve and Effie protected her and they were all friends and she was from Detroit Projects and grew up with her mother, who she wanted to make proud of her because she was a school teacher and a mother, so she wanted to take care of her mother and take them out of that situation and give them a better life therefore she was willing to be the puppet and she didn't have a father so Curtis was like her father. She didn't have any control and was the lead singer of the group because Curtis felt she was the most marketable back in that time it was very tough to cross over, being African-American, it wasn't because of her voice. Me on the other hand, I grew up with both of my parents, upper-middle class, I went to private school, I don't have a Curtis in my life I write my own songs, I write my own video treatments, I'm in control of my career, I've always been and was the lead singer because of my voice, because of my talent and didn't have the need to become a star because I had a very happy childhood and a very comfortable living so I didn't treat, when Destiny's Child lost on Star Search, I didn't reenact that, when the Dreams lost their talent show, because I went back to a nice house and back to school and Deena went back to the Projects so her need of making it out of there was different from mine and it wouldn't have been smart, playing myself so I really didn't draw on my own experiences, I created new experiences and tried to make sure I wasn't anywhere in the character.

How difficult was the holding back, to sound 'average?'

Knowles: It wasn't difficult because it was a part of the character. It wasn't difficult when they put the eyebrows and the wigs on me because I knew I had to look like a kid and that's part of the character. Out of everything, the singing and being the least glamorous in the beginning was the easiest part. The hardest part for me was making sure that every second I was onscreen, I didn't have a lot of lines, making sure that those moments were important and significant and I could prove to myself and everyone else that I can act because the movies I've done before, I'm proud of them, but I've never had a character that's had as much range and Deena was flawed, Deena was able to show growth and transform so it was exciting for me to finally have a character I could show some of that with.