Anonymous wrote:There will be an attempt to take these policies nationally. I don’t think the Supreme Court will go along, but you never know.

Poland’s Law and Justice Party tried this and now they’ve lost power. If competitive elections survive in the US, the backlash will arrive.

Until then, it’s going to be rough.

Contrary to what almost everyone thinks, the Dobbs decision did not “leave abortion up to the states.” It left abortion up to “the people and their representatives.” That leaves the door wide open for a national ban if the GOP gets a trifecta.

Anonymous wrote:If Democrats don't use the hell out of this case all day every day for the next year, they are completely missing an opportunity

This is not something the Democratic Party can do alone. The right wing has an entire media apparatus, the churches, billionaires. This is up to us, democracy loving American citizens. We need to do this work. We need to stop expecting the Democratic Party to do the work that we, democracy supporting citizens need to do.

Get involved, donate, talk to your friends and family, in short, we all need to get off the sidelines and act. And no, complaining on an anonymous thread is not enough.

Some ideas, Key states are Texas - voter registration groups, 2 Democratic Supreme Court candidates, unseating Cruz
Ohio - support sherrod Brown, Blue Ohio a grassroots, pro Democracy group lead by David Pepper, author of Laboratories of Democracy
Wisconsin Dem Party are kicking ass, need $
North Carolina Dem Party has need chair who is fierce. Give to Jeff Jackson for AG & try to keep MAGA from becoming Go Right now the main thing is to give money and give it on a monthly basis so these organizations can plan. It really is better to give $10 a month sustainably then to give $100 a month at one time. Starting in the new year there will be remote phone bank happening in any of the states. There will be postcard writing campaigns and there’s in person Canvassing.

I’ll start a new thread on ways to get involved in the new year. So clear your calendar for a few hours a week to take action. we can beat the MFs but we need to get off the sidelines.

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Anonymous wrote:If Democrats don't use the hell out of this case all day every day for the next year, they are completely missing an opportunity

they will

and every other women who brings a lawsuit

and as horrible as this is, someone dying will be the ultimate rallying cry. It's a matter of time.

I agree. I think a death is what it will take, as was the case in Ireland, one of the last developed countries to legalize abortion, when a woman died of septicemia after being denied an abortion while miscarrying at 17 weeks.


How Savita Halappanavar’s Death Spurred Ireland’s Abortion Rights Campaign
Dr. Halappanavar’s death in 2012 at age 31 from septicemia — an infection she contracted after she was denied an abortion during a miscarriage — set off outrage across the country and gave momentum to a growing call for change. Dr. Halappanavar, a dentist, and her husband, an engineer, were living in Galway in 2012 and preparing for the birth of their first child. That all changed when, 17 weeks pregnant, Dr. Halappanavar went the hospital with back pain on Oct. 21 and doctors said she was having a miscarriage.

Dr. Halappanavar was told that her fetus would not survive — but that she could not be given an abortion, her husband said. Ireland, she was told, is “a Catholic country,” and it would be illegal to terminate the pregnancy while the fetus still had a heartbeat, her husband said. After being repeatedly refused an abortion, she waited days until the heartbeat stopped. The contents of her womb were removed on Oct. 27. By then she had an infection, and she died of septicemia the following day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/world/europe/savita-halappanavar-ireland-abortion.html

Republicans are horrible because they demand that the government use its power to coerce a woman to endure a medical condition that threatens her health and fertility. F**k them. Terrible people.

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Anonymous wrote:Tie Trump to this because if he wins, I’m not sure institutions can survive. Notice how he won’t support these kinds of laws though. He knows they are politically unpopular. But if he wins another term, it won’t matter and he can give his loyalists what they want.

For a political party, you’d think the Democrats would be better at politics but no.

This is a stone around the necks of all Republicans. Exactly zero Republicans voted for human rights. Exactly zero Republicans have come out forcefully against Project 2025. Every Republican is as bad as another because the only time they find any backbone is on their way out the door.

+1
Maybe Liz Cheney had a backbone while trying to keep her seat, but I still don't like her politics. So she still sucks in my opinion.

Anonymous wrote:Tie Trump to this because if he wins, I’m not sure institutions can survive. Notice how he won’t support these kinds of laws though. He knows they are politically unpopular. But if he wins another term, it won’t matter and he can give his loyalists what they want.

For a political party, you’d think the Democrats would be better at politics but no.

The evangelicals are Trump's puppet masters. He will do whatever they tell him to do.

Anonymous wrote:Tie Trump to this because if he wins, I’m not sure institutions can survive. Notice how he won’t support these kinds of laws though. He knows they are politically unpopular. But if he wins another term, it won’t matter and he can give his loyalists what they want.

For a political party, you’d think the Democrats would be better at politics but no.

This is a stone around the necks of all Republicans. Exactly zero Republicans voted for human rights. Exactly zero Republicans have come out forcefully against Project 2025. Every Republican is as bad as another because the only time they find any backbone is on their way out the door.

Tie Trump to this because if he wins, I’m not sure institutions can survive. Notice how he won’t support these kinds of laws though. He knows they are politically unpopular. But if he wins another term, it won’t matter and he can give his loyalists what they want.

For a political party, you’d think the Democrats would be better at politics but no.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas Supreme Court decision here:
https://www.txcourts.gov/media/1457645/230994pc.pdf

The finding itself is self-contradictory. Says a doctor shouldn't need to consult a court for permission to perform an abortion they deem medically necessary in their judgement while simultaneously denying an abortion the doctor deemed medically necessary.

I assume that’s deliberate. They don’t want to clog up the courts with cases — so they’ll leave it up to each doctor’s discretion. Of course there will not be specific medical guidelines provided to the physicians, just less than clear legal ones. That way they can fine, arrest, harass, yank the licenses from the physicians AFTER they’ve performed abortions. Since there are no explicit guidelines, it will be quite easy for the non-medical people who will get to decide such things to deem anything they want to as being not “medically necessary” — especially if the patient survives the procedure. Of course if the patient doesn’t survive, then that’s a whole different set of potential fines and law suits. Either way, the OB-Gyns will be screwed. So many will move to other states, thus reducing the availability of medical professionals available to provide abortions. Of course it also reduces the number of professionals available to provide medical care for women’s needs. Oh well. I’m sure they thought this through.

Is there data reflecting an exit of OB-GYN doctors from Texas and the likes?

Yes. In some red states, up to 1/3 of counties now have no prenatal care. And it’s getting worse every month.

(gift link). https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/us/politics/abortion-obstetricians-maternity-care.html?unlocked_article_code=1.FU0.ITFI.t_ColJ7_QMjK&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

https://www.wired.com/story/states-with-abortion-bans-are-losing-a-generation-of-ob-gyns/

And it’s not just OBs. ER residents are avoiding red states and ER doctors are leaving. Because they are the ones who have to make tough calls in emergencies that can’t wait for an Ob appointment.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/04/21/abortion-ban-states-obgyn-residency-applications/

So if you have a heart attack or stroke— T&Pk

Anonymous wrote:If Democrats don't use the hell out of this case all day every day for the next year, they are completely missing an opportunity

they will

and every other women who brings a lawsuit

and as horrible as this is, someone dying will be the ultimate rallying cry. It's a matter of time.

Many Republicans, including Trump think emphasizing “the exceptions” on the campaign trail will save them on the abortion issue. But what Republican lawyers are proving is that the “exceptions” are always denied or obstructed. Kate Cox & other victims should be in a million ads.

-Ron Filipkowski

If Democrats don't use the hell out of this case all day every day for the next year, they are completely missing an opportunity

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Anonymous wrote:There will be an attempt to take these policies nationally. I don’t think the Supreme Court will go along, but you never know.

Poland’s Law and Justice Party tried this and now they’ve lost power. If competitive elections survive in the US, the backlash will arrive.

Until then, it’s going to be rough.

I am not sure why you think that. We already know Alito, Thomas, Barret and Kavanaugh are fully on board. Roberts is a social conservative.

Disagree on Kavanaugh and Roberts. I don’t think they’d go that far. But like I said, you never know.

It’s a big country. I’m not convinced they can pull off Gilead. They’ll give it their best try. Honestly, worrying about it does nothing.

Anonymous wrote:There will be an attempt to take these policies nationally. I don’t think the Supreme Court will go along, but you never know.

Poland’s Law and Justice Party tried this and now they’ve lost power. If competitive elections survive in the US, the backlash will arrive.

Until then, it’s going to be rough.

If Rs aren't obliterated next year, this whole post is moot. There won't be any more elections and the conservatives will force all of us into Gilead.

This is how dire the situation is. We literally have less than 11 months to save this country as we know it.

And people wonder why I so anxious and depressed

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There will be an attempt to take these policies nationally. I don’t think the Supreme Court will go along, but you never know.

Poland’s Law and Justice Party tried this and now they’ve lost power. If competitive elections survive in the US, the backlash will arrive.

Until then, it’s going to be rough.

I am not sure why you think that. We already know Alito, Thomas, Barret and Kavanaugh are fully on board. Roberts is a social conservative.

+1

It’s time to stop pretending that there’s anything redeeming about those religious freaks. Please stop imagining that they’ll find some decency. They won’t.