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FPYCparent wrote:I understand that Paramount made at least one offer to a player after an "evaluation" of sorts on Saturday. As far as I know, their official tryouts were all on Friday. Granted, the Saturday eval could have been pre-arranged (that player was not at the tryout on Friday). It would have been good to know that the club ... and maybe others ... make that kind of arrangement available given that tryouts for all age groups were on one weekend.

Paramount (and other clubs) will definitely make offers to players that didn't actually physically come to tryouts. It's allowable under the CHRVA rules as long as the player has paid the tryout fee (no special incentives or gifts are allowed) and the offer is not made until the after the start of the open tryout period.

That is insane! Pretty much a scam if their continuing to have "open tryouts" and the roster is already full as other have stated.

Eh, it's like a company or agency posting a job opening when the position is already filled. All a formality.

Exactly we've all been there, but at least you don't have to pay for the interview. It's the child with high hopes that get their feelings crushed.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard more details from Renaissance? We got an offer, emailed a couple of questions but never received a reply. Does anyone know who is coaching the teams? Pretty basic inquiry.

This may be too late to be helpful, but it’s not a good sign if they don’t have coaches in place.

Renaissance definitely has all their coaches. Apparently they are fielding at least 13-18U and are even having some unexpected B teams- also with coaches. As mentioned- this process is overwhelming for all clubs given all ages must be figured out over one weekend as opposed to divided up into 2- and this club has formed since early October so the likely the assignment of the coaches to the various teams was being figured out real time. However would sure hope that they get back to you about who the coach is for the team you got offered! They didn’t tell you at tryouts??

Anonymous wrote:Do players have to do this circus every year, even after they’ve made a club one year and are happy? In other words, do they have to fight hard to retain their spot from the prior year or are clubs loyal to returning players? I realize she will always have to tryout but is her spot safe with the same club, assuming no issues? This was our first year of tryouts, and DD got offers from 4 of her 5 teams from tryouts. But it was stressful and we put so much time and money into clinics at each place. I know she will have to tryout again but I’m hoping the stress is not like this every year.

Yes. Unfortunately this is an annual nightmare. We know several “incumbent” girls at clubs who didn’t get offers this year, and they were scrambling by Sunday/Monday. We personally know return players who didn’t get offers from Mojo/ECP and Metro (Regional) despite being solid players. The girls we know personally were strong enough to get offers from other clubs (in some cases better offers) but it was certainly not ideal and parents are pissed.

Anonymous wrote:And MEVC was charging for each of 3 tryout sessions, not a single tryout fee. Some of the girls noticed. But most on the no-look court we’re trying so hard and not jaded enough to realize they were getting zero consideration

That is shameful. I'm sorry to hear you had such a terrible experience. This year was worst than last year and I've learned a lot by reading this thread.

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FPYCparent wrote:I understand that Paramount made at least one offer to a player after an "evaluation" of sorts on Saturday. As far as I know, their official tryouts were all on Friday. Granted, the Saturday eval could have been pre-arranged (that player was not at the tryout on Friday). It would have been good to know that the club ... and maybe others ... make that kind of arrangement available given that tryouts for all age groups were on one weekend.

Paramount (and other clubs) will definitely make offers to players that didn't actually physically come to tryouts. It's allowable under the CHRVA rules as long as the player has paid the tryout fee (no special incentives or gifts are allowed) and the offer is not made until the after the start of the open tryout period.

That is insane! Pretty much a scam if their continuing to have "open tryouts" and the roster is already full as other have stated.

Eh, it's like a company or agency posting a job opening when the position is already filled. All a formality.

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Anonymous wrote:Do players have to do this circus every year, even after they’ve made a club one year and are happy? In other words, do they have to fight hard to retain their spot from the prior year or are clubs loyal to returning players? I realize she will always have to tryout but is her spot safe with the same club, assuming no issues? This was our first year of tryouts, and DD got offers from 4 of her 5 teams from tryouts. But it was stressful and we put so much time and money into clinics at each place. I know she will have to tryout again but I’m hoping the stress is not like this every year.

YES, ever. single. year. My DD got 4 offers her first year club and by the end of the season she was not be rotated out during games. She was invited to invite only clinics before the next year's try outs for her former club. She was cut after the first round of try outs from that former club. She was lucky enough to get 1 offer last year to play at a new club so took that. Unfortunately that was ECP, which disbanded/dissolved about 2 weeks before this year's try outs, so once again she was clueless. Her prior coach let her know where they were coaching this season and asked her to try out, and then that club did NOT give her an offer.

There is zero loyalty in club volleyball. None. It is unlike any other sport my other kids have played where if you start with a club early often that club will look at the long term goal of developing you over the years and often you can stay year after year (not a guarantee but likely, such as lacrosse, soccer, etc). With volleyball there is no club loyalty so the players also are looking to change every year as well. Learn this lesson now for next year.

clubless. I hate autocorrect which seems to randomly change words after I press submit.

Anonymous wrote:Do players have to do this circus every year, even after they’ve made a club one year and are happy? In other words, do they have to fight hard to retain their spot from the prior year or are clubs loyal to returning players? I realize she will always have to tryout but is her spot safe with the same club, assuming no issues? This was our first year of tryouts, and DD got offers from 4 of her 5 teams from tryouts. But it was stressful and we put so much time and money into clinics at each place. I know she will have to tryout again but I’m hoping the stress is not like this every year.

YES, ever. single. year. My DD got 4 offers her first year club and by the end of the season she was not be rotated out during games. She was invited to invite only clinics before the next year's try outs for her former club. She was cut after the first round of try outs from that former club. She was lucky enough to get 1 offer last year to play at a new club so took that. Unfortunately that was ECP, which disbanded/dissolved about 2 weeks before this year's try outs, so once again she was clueless. Her prior coach let her know where they were coaching this season and asked her to try out, and then that club did NOT give her an offer.

There is zero loyalty in club volleyball. None. It is unlike any other sport my other kids have played where if you start with a club early often that club will look at the long term goal of developing you over the years and often you can stay year after year (not a guarantee but likely, such as lacrosse, soccer, etc). With volleyball there is no club loyalty so the players also are looking to change every year as well. Learn this lesson now for next year.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard more details from Renaissance? We got an offer, emailed a couple of questions but never received a reply. Does anyone know who is coaching the teams? Pretty basic inquiry.

This may be too late to be helpful, but it’s not a good sign if they don’t have coaches in place.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see what numbers of offers are made within the next few days. After 3 tryouts days and thousands of dollars being raked in. Clubs could provide more upfront informative information as to what positions they're recruiting for, the experience expected at each age group, and how many legit open positions are available per team.

FWIW, clubs were overwhelmed, especially the bigger ones, by CHRVA putting all age groups in one weekend.

MVSA sends out an email before registrations close warning that they have 150+ players registered and only 30 spots, and that they will refund $ if your child wants to tryout somewhere else where their odds are better.

That’s terrific. Classy move for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see what numbers of offers are made within the next few days. After 3 tryouts days and thousands of dollars being raked in. Clubs could provide more upfront informative information as to what positions they're recruiting for, the experience expected at each age group, and how many legit open positions are available per team.

FWIW, clubs were overwhelmed, especially the bigger ones, by CHRVA putting all age groups in one weekend.

MVSA sends out an email before registrations close warning that they have 150+ players registered and only 30 spots, and that they will refund $ if your child wants to tryout somewhere else where their odds are better.

Anonymous wrote:Some clubs def seem disingenuous, are all about making $. But the extreme popularity of volleyball and the hard limit on practice facilities (and coaches are somewhat limited) is the real problem. A lot of coaches hate this process.

It’s heartbreaking. So many girls playing their hearts out, so much talent, and so many tears.

Also it takes a few years for parents to get up to speed on how it all really works, how limited offers are as the kids get older. That their great young front row player is never going to be tall enough in high school for the same position and should’ve been specializing in a position they’d be tall enough for. That relationships with clubs really matter bc with so many kids trying out even the well meaning clubs cannot evaluate hundreds of kids in 2 hours. But they’re required to hold open tryouts. That playing rec for too many years before club can develop bad habits. Etc

So true! It’s a shame that it plays out the way it does, but it’s not always the Club’s fault.

Anonymous wrote:Do players have to do this circus every year, even after they’ve made a club one year and are happy? In other words, do they have to fight hard to retain their spot from the prior year or are clubs loyal to returning players? I realize she will always have to tryout but is her spot safe with the same club, assuming no issues? This was our first year of tryouts, and DD got offers from 4 of her 5 teams from tryouts. But it was stressful and we put so much time and money into clinics at each place. I know she will have to tryout again but I’m hoping the stress is not like this every year.

From previous posts it sounds like your DD will have a leg up on competition so long as she stays with the same club. However the open tryouts are mandatory.

And MEVC was charging for each of 3 tryout sessions, not a single tryout fee. Some of the girls noticed. But most on the no-look court we’re trying so hard and not jaded enough to realize they were getting zero consideration

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what numbers of offers are made within the next few days. After 3 tryouts days and thousands of dollars being raked in. Clubs could provide more upfront informative information as to what positions they're recruiting for, the experience expected at each age group, and how many legit open positions are available per team.

FWIW, clubs were overwhelmed, especially the bigger ones, by CHRVA putting all age groups in one weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see what numbers of offers are made within the next few days. After 3 tryouts days and thousands of dollars being raked in. Clubs could provide more upfront informative information as to what positions they're recruiting for, the experience expected at each age group, and how many legit open positions are available per team.

I don’t think clubs actually know any of that. Players switch clubs all the time, so every tryout period, all positions are essentially open.

A PP just said that the coaches were only looking at players that they'd previously coached. Im sure some clubs have an idea of who's returning and moving up to the next age tier.