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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/27/us/texas-school-shooting#a-border-patrol-tactical-team-was-ordered-to-hold-back-before-confronting-the-gunman

The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.

The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.

How can a local police department stop a Federal agency from going in? That seems really off.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/27/us/texas-school-shooting#a-border-patrol-tactical-team-was-ordered-to-hold-back-before-confronting-the-gunman

The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.

The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Not just out west. I'm in Alexandria VA and our local elementary has classrooms with doors that open to the outside. And big windows.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare CNN interview a 10 year old shooting victim. Talk about a lack of decency!

You don’t like hearing firsthand accounts of why guns are bad? Are you triggered? F’ing snowflake. Go back to fox where they won’t lltry to get you to hear Miah’s story.

They want a sanitized account. A slow pan away of the camera. They don’t want to talk about what exactly happened to those children.

Anonymous wrote:My god. The amount of lying from the cops on this is really bad. Not only did they fail 20 4th graders and 2 teachers they have also undermined every bit of testimony they have ever given.

Anonymous wrote:How dare CNN interview a 10 year old shooting victim. Talk about a lack of decency!

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Anonymous wrote:My god. The amount of lying from the cops on this is really bad. Not only did they fail 20 4th graders and 2 teachers they have also undermined every bit of testimony they have ever given.

(Not to be a dck, but Black people have been saying for decades that the police aren’t to be trusted. I, too, was slow to get there, but because Black people have already lived under fascism right here in the US, they have lived what we have been prevented from learning.)

Ditto. Same internal path for me. I mean, they aren’t wrong and never were.

Even still: I’m genuinely shocked at the Uvalde police. Genuinely. I assumed that people who flock to positions that let you carry guns...want to carry guns, and have active fantasies about engaging with bad actors. I know myself. I know that’s never been for me, that I don’t have that temperament to carry a weapon without endangering myself or other innocents. It never occurred to me until yesterday that police, in a group, with arms, would just wait. It truly never occurred to me.

Anonymous wrote:I really hope DOJ or FBI conducts an independent investigation on the shooter and the law enforcement response. Heads need to roll.

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Anonymous wrote:My god. The amount of lying from the cops on this is really bad. Not only did they fail 20 4th graders and 2 teachers they have also undermined every bit of testimony they have ever given.

(Not to be a dck, but Black people have been saying for decades that the police aren’t to be trusted. I, too, was slow to get there, but because Black people have already lived under fascism right here in the US, they have lived what we have been prevented from learning.)

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope DOJ or FBI conducts an independent investigation on the shooter and the law enforcement response. Heads need to roll.

Why would heads roll? You think Abbott and company will not cover this up? Texans will support the republican governor and state officials. Nothing will happen but more money for the police and awards given out. Maybe they can get another swat team for the town.

Anonymous wrote:My god. The amount of lying from the cops on this is really bad. Not only did they fail 20 4th graders and 2 teachers they have also undermined every bit of testimony they have ever given.