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Anonymous wrote:Texas Tribune update: it’s now 18 children and 3 adults dead in Uvalde elementary school shooting

And in two days Abbott is going to speak at the NRA conference just a few hundred miles from where this happened. Apparently 18 dead children and 3 dead adults is an acceptable sacrifice for some extra campaign $$.

Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that being killed isn’t always the worst thing that can happen. Some of the kids in the hospital may be severely disabled or suffer from pain for the rest of their lives from being shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard on CNN the grandma is now dead, is this true?

He shot grandma first and then ran from police into the school where he shot anyone in his way, teachers and children. How the hell did he get into the school? How far is his house from the school to the point that police did not alert the nearby school to go into lock down? The school failed these children. Lock the doors! The shooter looks crazy… I am so tired of this bs. Let me guess, he got made fun of in school? I will say it each and every time, leave the mentally ill and disabled children to their own schools. They are not capable of the real world.

I am hearing a different narrative now.

Anonymous wrote:So predictable. This thread has turned into a shouting match with two sides talking past each other, offering no real solutions.

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Anonymous wrote:We have how many million people living in this country? What can possibly stop anything like this from happening? Ban guns and people will use a car to mow down a crowd of people or build a bomb.

The cat is out of the bag. We can't go back from this. Better mental health treatment might help some, but not all. There will always be some that slip through the cracks.

+1000.

Too many crazy people out there!

Best argument yet for gun control.

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But we do have gun laws, and criminals and mentally ill people break them. Keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding, sane citizens will not fix the problem. Crack down on real criminals would be one way to get started. But instead, we're doing the complete opposite.

Good guys with guns are not stopping the bad guys with guns. The gun culture in this country is the problem and the lax regulations are a symptom. It all needs to change.

In this case, the good guys with guns killed the gunman. Why there was not one resource officer at the actual school is a whole other issue. How did he get in?

One resource officer against a mentally unstable shooter with ARs? Who do you think is going to survive that one?

Multiple law enforcement officers did everything they possibly could today and what is the death toll still up to?
“Officers and Border Patrol agents placed themselves between the shooter and the children, multiple people told The Washington Post.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/24/school-shooting-uvalde-texas-updates/

What if no one had been there? We may never be able to save all lives, but we shouldn't stop trying to save some lives.

Law enforcement was there and it still wasn’t enough. Do we have to have an armored division at each and every public, private and parochial elementary, middle and high school to stop this?

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Anonymous wrote:We have how many million people living in this country? What can possibly stop anything like this from happening? Ban guns and people will use a car to mow down a crowd of people or build a bomb.

The cat is out of the bag. We can't go back from this. Better mental health treatment might help some, but not all. There will always be some that slip through the cracks.

+1000.

Too many crazy people out there!

Anonymous wrote:We have how many million people living in this country? What can possibly stop anything like this from happening? Ban guns and people will use a car to mow down a crowd of people or build a bomb.

The cat is out of the bag. We can't go back from this. Better mental health treatment might help some, but not all. There will always be some that slip through the cracks.

Anonymous wrote:The waPo article said he ran in a side door with the police shooting at him as he did so, then he barricaded himself in a classroom. It doesn’t sound like they chased him there—he crashed his truck outside the school, shot at two women who saw the crash and tried to help him, than ran into the school. The body armor indicates he was already planning a mass shooting—he wouldn’t need body armor just to shoot his grandma.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently watched an Australian courtroom drama called Janet King. An entire season was devoted to a shipment of illegally imported guns. The govt launched a huge task force and splashy trial to arrest those responsible for selling a relatively small number of firearms. That’s how tightly weapons are controlled there. I almost had to laugh. And Australians have had conservative leadership for years! Why do our conservatives have such bloodthirst?

Australia used to have lax gun laws. When they enacted tighter regulation, they had a very successful buy-back program.

IIRC, the change was sparked by a mass shooting, although I might be wrong about that part.

Gun buybacks work because Australia has social trust and solidarity. We have zero social trust and solidarity in America, so it won’t work here. Gun owners have zero regard for non-gun owners. In fact, they sneeringly call us “sheep” if we don’t own a gun or if we expect law enforcement to their well-paid jobs.

True - gun control won’t work here.

We are nothing like Australia.