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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

Then why do they have the same accreditations? Are you all boomers or something? There’s a serious disconnect between the real world and the world you all think we live in.

Because higher ed accreditations are also a joke.

It's odd you think I'm a boomer. The only people I know that have any sort of positive association with online programs are boomers and older gen-xers that paid for bogus graduate degrees from diploma mills. All the younger people actually went to school and know that you couldn't have a remotely similar experience online. And it shows when you look at staff abilities across the board.

Oh ok. I’ll just tell employers who they hire are jokes. 🙄

You really don't seem to have much experience with hiring. Everyone knows the diploma mills are jokes. If the job doesn't actually require a degree, and they just want to check a box that you have a degree, then sure, the diploma mills are fine.

But try shopping around an MS or DSc in a STEM field from a diploma mill.

I have thanks!!! In computer science. WHICH IS ALL ONLINE! Not everything is equal. And not everything is evil. My firm (government contractor) was an EEO. Many more I know do not and hence...why America needs equity measures. Not everyone has access to the same - but how dare you judge someone who got where they did because they do not meet your biased criteria. Harvard, Yale, Princeton...all have online programs, approved by the US Department of Education! There most likely is a high percentage of your child's teachers who have taken classes online for their coursework or professional development. But oh wait......we know what you feel about teachers. So ironic, considering you INSIST your dear children must be taught by them.

I’m a teacher who has taken many online classes for certification requirements. It is a terrible way to learn even for adults. Almost all kids would be better off in in-person school

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

Then why do they have the same accreditations? Are you all boomers or something? There’s a serious disconnect between the real world and the world you all think we live in.

Because higher ed accreditations are also a joke.

It's odd you think I'm a boomer. The only people I know that have any sort of positive association with online programs are boomers and older gen-xers that paid for bogus graduate degrees from diploma mills. All the younger people actually went to school and know that you couldn't have a remotely similar experience online. And it shows when you look at staff abilities across the board.

Oh ok. I’ll just tell employers who they hire are jokes. 🙄

You really don't seem to have much experience with hiring. Everyone knows the diploma mills are jokes. If the job doesn't actually require a degree, and they just want to check a box that you have a degree, then sure, the diploma mills are fine.

But try shopping around an MS or DSc in a STEM field from a diploma mill.

I have thanks!!! In computer science. WHICH IS ALL ONLINE! Not everything is equal. And not everything is evil. My firm (government contractor) was an EEO. Many more I know do not and hence...why America needs equity measures. Not everyone has access to the same - but how dare you judge someone who got where they did because they do not meet your biased criteria. Harvard, Yale, Princeton...all have online programs, approved by the US Department of Education! There most likely is a high percentage of your child's teachers who have taken classes online for their coursework or professional development. But oh wait......we know what you feel about teachers. So ironic, considering you INSIST your dear children must be taught by them.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

Well for one thing the data shows that at the elementary level, math and reading progression was much slower than at the in person level. It is documented in the latest report. We don't know anything about this past year because they won't publish it, probably because there was little to no improvement.

This is a nice thread on the issues with MVA. Report has some good data on absenteeism and lack of progress in math and reading.

Anything by this twit on Twitter is worthless. she has a clear bias.

Look at the report. It was provided by MCPS, not your "twit." She just tweeted it so that people would see it. Bottom line, reading and math progression is tanking and absenteeism is significantly higher than for in person school.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

Well for one thing the data shows that at the elementary level, math and reading progression was much slower than at the in person level. It is documented in the latest report. We don't know anything about this past year because they won't publish it, probably because there was little to no improvement.

This is a nice thread on the issues with MVA. Report has some good data on absenteeism and lack of progress in math and reading.

Anything by this twit on Twitter is worthless. she has a clear bias.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

Well for one thing the data shows that at the elementary level, math and reading progression was much slower than at the in person level. It is documented in the latest report. We don't know anything about this past year because they won't publish it, probably because there was little to no improvement.

This is a nice thread on the issues with MVA. Report has some good data on absenteeism and lack of progress in math and reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

Well for one thing the data shows that at the elementary level, math and reading progression was much slower than at the in person level. It is documented in the latest report. We don't know anything about this past year because they won't publish it, probably because there was little to no improvement.

This is a nice thread on the issues with MVA. Report has some good data on absenteeism and lack of progress in math and reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

Well for one thing the data shows that at the elementary level, math and reading progression was much slower than at the in person level. It is documented in the latest report. We don't know anything about this past year because they won't publish it, probably because there was little to no improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

Backed with what data? Oh you have none other than “zoom school didn’t work”. Kids don’t wanna be in person. Definitely not to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.

Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.

There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.

My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.

Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.

Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point

Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.

Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA

We need to do a full audit line by line of every penny MCPS spends and cut out the waste. Simple. The MVA is not wasteful and lots of kids on the waitlist who want in and cannot get in.

And, why don't we shut down the bottom 20% of the in-person schools as well. Quite a few have very low test scores. What is that ok?

Or, maybe we should invest more money into these struggling schools and provide them the staff and resources to help the struggling kids.

Thank you! Finally a voice of reason. Every child deserves the same access to an education, not matter what it looks like. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. But it's unethical to slam the door in their face and not try to see how to help support everyone the best they can.

It makes no sense people are obsessed with shutting down a program that has no impact on them or their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

Yup, and those degrees are pretty worthless.

Apparently in person degrees aren’t better with the level of incompetence from many posters on this board who can’t articulate a proper response to a argument. Many if you act like your children. Immature and defiant.

There's been a very clear argument against VA from the start. It costs the district an extra $4.3 million, where the students have worse educational outcomes and attendance than in-person school.

You keep trying to tell people to ignore the available data, but you don't have any of your own that tells a different story.

My goodness. Still hanging on to that one thread aren’t you? Has it not been indicated many times that data is not current and the program has changed so in order to have an actual relevant debate all data needs to be provided. Otherwise, you are all clearly just demonstrating your bias.

Where's your data then? This should be a data driven decision. And yes, there's always going to be some lag with the data, due to the time to collect and process it. That's not a reason to ignore data in the decisionmaking process.

Well, unlike some of you, I actually like to have a full picture before coming to a final judgment. until that final picture of data is available then everything you are saying is a moot point

Then we shouldn't keep throwing money at it until they can get your "full picture." As long as VA keeps running, there is always going to be some lag between data availability and decisionmaking. We can use the next three years to study VA outcomes and consider bringing it back if the "full picture" indicates there was value.

Ok let's look at all the programs in MCPS then and quit funding the ones where children are struggling. GREAT IDEA

We need to do a full audit line by line of every penny MCPS spends and cut out the waste. Simple. The MVA is not wasteful and lots of kids on the waitlist who want in and cannot get in.

And, why don't we shut down the bottom 20% of the in-person schools as well. Quite a few have very low test scores. What is that ok?

Or, maybe we should invest more money into these struggling schools and provide them the staff and resources to help the struggling kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Online learning at the college level is VERY different than elementary school. At the very least the elementary and middle school MVA should be eliminated.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.

Agree. Online programs don't have this reputation in Europe for example. It's all about how it's structured.

Also - My kid is in a fully online aops class right now, and you better believe she's learning much much much more than she does in her MCPS honors geometry class.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we will all find out today the future of MVA. The sense I got from the board on Tuesday was they heard the testimonies, but they have a difficult budget this year and have to make tough decisions. I suspect this program will be cut. It is just not effective enough to maintain. Giving kids who are bullied the option to learn from home is not serving them...it is robbing them of a real education. I am shocked parents go along with it.

MVA gives them real education. Just like many colleges offer online degrees.

You don't seem to hire people. Online degree programs have been a joke for a long time.

LOL how in the world do you know if people you are hiring went to college in person? (not talking about purely online colleges). I am currently getting masters from Georgia Tech, fully online. It actually beats going in person because I have fewer distractions and more time to learn.